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By Kyle Webb, Assistant Editor, See staff list for e-mail address

"Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends..."

Hi, folks, and welcome back to SHOWTIME! The AmiWest 98 show (http://www.sacc.org/amiwest/), held at the Ramada Inn in Sacramento, California, July 11 and 12, 1998, fell slightly short of events and guests (as outlined extensively not only here but in a highly organized carpet-bomb approach in many channels). I was assured that things went pretty darned good, at any rate, and I wish all the best to the organizers, participants, and businesses that put well-placed bets in the future of the Amiga, and of their related concerns.

You folks deserve a nice round of applause for all your hard work!

I didn't attend the show (I was in every major city on the NorthEast Coast of the United States and Canada, it seems, this past month) but I have with me here (by request, and with permission) some notes and writs from a few very gracious attendees. Regretfully, I don't have anything I could call comprehensive and all-inclusive (gee whiz, I wasn't home for weeks! PLUS....our main hardware here at The Amiga Monitor is being petulant: at the time of this writing, I am looking forward to a rather long trip August 6, to....SOFTWARE HUT!!!!....to get an A4000T serviced. Didn't I say that last month's issue..."Where can I go to get my Amiga fixed?" I expect somewhere in this issue is an essay outlining our experience there.)

SO, without further adieu, I give you the following:


AmiWest '98 Show Report From Jeffrey D. Webster

Needless to say, there were no overwhelming announcements. However, we did enjoy some exciting guests. I'll start from the beginning.

Upon arriving, after a miserable ordeal with the airline, I was greeted by Christopher Aldi (ClassAct, NewYork). We were waiting for a ride to the hotel. Bill Borsari (UGN Event Coordinator) picked us up. The madness began.

All of us were very high-strung, and excited about doing another show. All of us except Robert Hamilton (Lostman) who was sleeping in the hotel room.

Sleeping?

On Friday morning the setup was underway. I tested my machine from the hotel room, and then assisted Bill Borsari, Wayne Hunt (UGN), and Darreck Lisle (Amiga, Inc.) in setting up the UGN Booth. Not an easy task with 300 pound Destination monitors. There were some difficulties, like the fact that Darreck had to run 50 feet of phone cord out of the room and across a hall to get phone service to the booth.

The UGN, headed by Wayne Hunt, assisted by Darreck Lisle and Bill Borsari had a nice sized booth with one Destination Monitor showing the UGN Kiosk machine. Which was an A1200 running Scala. It was professionally done, and with a lot of help from Casey Halverson, it was even better. Connected with the UGN Booth was Lostman with his Amiga shirts, shorts, an sweaters.

Great looking clothes. We (the royal "We") shared a booth with Lostman, though we had no product thanks to a complete lack of luck during the days preceding the show (it's a sad story, perhaps another time). Instead, we were honored by having the UGN use ChatBox for the IRC conferences. Another Destination monitor showed the IRC conferences. Amiga, Inc. provided these monitors, by the way. They did not have to. And it was greatly appreciated. Good job Darreck.

Again, I have to give a hats-off to Bill Borsari. He dedicates his time to making these shows go off as smoothly as possible for the UGN. He has aided in keeping us well informed, and giving us a "WebCam's" view of the whole event. He is an asset to the Amiga community. Come to IRC channel #Amiga on servers linux.us.amiganet.org, or whiterose.us.amiganet.org and look for Bill to thank him for a great year of service. His IRC nickname is "tekmage".

On with the show.

To the immediate right of our booth was Nova Design. Kermit Woodall showed off the latest capabilities of ImageFX with the help and expertise of Corinna Cohn. She has amazing skills with ImageFX, and knows it like the back of her hand. I bought another copy of Aladdin 4D, as well as Catalyzer Volumes I & II. Big Spender, eh?

Chris Aldi showed off his line of products from Finale Developments. As well as "Digital Quill" by Timothy Ashton. Luck was not with Chris for this show, as his A3000 went on the blink. However, he did a great job in spite of it. He's been dedicated to the Amiga since the beginning.

Harv Laser was right next to Finale Developments. Was he wearing the coveted crown of the mighty "User Representative"? No, he was humbly dressed, greeting people as they passed, and enjoying lots of talk and stories. Of course, he was also promoting AmigaZone.

From the retail standpoint we had Lively Computers, and VisionSoft. They were far too busy for me to even get a look at what they had for any length of time. Both companies had great representatives that were friendly, and loved to talk shop. What a great place to be.

One of the most interesting conversations I had was with Bob Scharp. A very modest individual with an extremely kind wife. He has reason to brag, however, they've done a great job with the St. Louis show over the years. And I look forward to exhibiting there next year. At his display were the nicest coffee mugs an Amigan could ever see. They had a black checkmark on one side and a big black circle on the other side. Gee, sounds great, doesn't it? Well, pour some hot liquid in there -- I suggest coffee, myself -- and the checkmark becomes colored, and the large black circle becomes a smiling face. Bob told me, "This side shows a black check mark because the Amiga died, and this side shows a black circle because the Amiga died. Put a hot liquid in the cup, and the check mark becomes colorful, and the circle becomes a smiling face because the Amiga is alive again." Cheers, Bob! It was great meeting you.

One person that is always a joy to listen to because he is a virtual knowledge bank is Holger Kruse. He knows his stuff, and if you don't have Miami, GET IT! He has worked tirelessly to give us easy internet access, and he's done it with the greatest modesty. And his intentions are unbelievable. Did he do it for the money? Did he do it for the recognition? Why did he work so hard for so little? ($30 a copy is REAL cheap for a professional package like Miami) He did it for the Amiga, and it's users. At first we all questioned his intentions. Like, was he trying to take over what AmiTCP had given us?

Certainly, but without malice. He did it because the Amiga community needed an easy way to get on the internet. And, for those of you that criticize Miami -- because WinSock is "free" -- don't knock it until you try it. WinSock is "FREE" for a reason. That is about all it is worth. Miami is far more complete a TCP/IP stack than WinSock. Enjoy what you have. Thank you Holger.

Now, there were some things I just had to see. I wanted to see Carl Sassenraths seminar on REBOL (sounds like "rebel"). This man has an excellent sense of humor, and he's very down to earth. REBOL sounds like a very exciting language. I can't wait to implement a REBOL interface in some of our projects.

He described, in great detail, how REBOL really works, and what it's meant to do. He is so surprisingly Pro-Amiga. Dedicated to his creation, I suppose. Carl also spoke at the banquet dinner, where he showed slides from the very early days of Amiga. Included in the slides were pictures of the early MOS implementations of the Amiga Chipset. He had interesting stories about the trials of getting the Amiga to work. He shared many funny stories about events that took place at Amiga. RJ Mical blowing up fish in the microwave?

Human society, anyone? ;)

Of course, the event we had all been waiting for. Hearing Jeff Schindler speak about the Amiga. Oops. Something came up, so Jeff was unable to attend (I'll elaborate later). Well, at least now we have Dr. Allan Havemose...

Oops. You know the story. Big disappointment. But they more than made up for it. Frankly, everyone was pleasantly surprised by a man that very few know anything about -- besides his name. Bill McEwen was an outstanding speaker, great motivator, and despite his lack of techno-knowledge, an expert in this field. He should be trusted as a marketing director. He spoke very well, very clearly outlining the intentions and the road map for the Amiga.

Many questions were answered, without the usual thousand more that result from the answers. He covered his speech with good humor, and professionalism.

His speech was long, but by no means unbearable (aside from there being no air conditioner in that room). He should be commended and thanked warmly for making this unexpected trip to Sacramento to stand in for Jeff Schindler and Dr. Havemose. I was not at all disappointed, and left with even more confidence than before.

S.A.C.C. did a good job, this was their first show. There were some hitches here and there, but nothing insurmountable. And they worked hard to make it right, and extremely upset and disappointed when they couldn't.

Despite the sometimes flaring egos and tempers, we thank you S.A.C.C. for bring a show to the western half of the states! Special thanks should go to Michael Salcedo, John Zacharias, and Alan Crandall. Thank you for your understanding, patience, and help.

I'll be working with Bill Borsari and Casey Halverson on some exciting new projects for the MAE (Ohio) show in October. We have some great things for you internet show watchers. Keep your eyes peeled for press releases and news as the show gets closer.

Thanks for your attention.

Jeffrey D. Webster
Mirada Innovations / JDW Developments
VP, Software Development/Marketing


Subject: AmiWest Report (Part 2 of 3) The slide show
From: jweb@prime*NO*net*SPAM*.com (Jeffrey D. Webster)
Date: Thu, Jul 16, 1998 02:52 EDT
Message-id: <750014271134@jweb.phx.primenet.com>


Bill McEwen reveals the Amiga, Inc. plan from a marketing perspective.

--

Although my first AmiWest report was well received, I know it was lacking
the 
most important information.  What did Amiga, Inc. have to say?  More 
specifically, what happened to Schindler, Havemose, and McEwen?

I'll start with Bill McEwen.

I apologize for not posting this earlier, but I had to review the video tapes

so that I could hit upon the highlights so as to avoid a long and drawn out
post.

Bill McEwen is definitely a professional in marketing.  He understands the

basic principles, and has a great deal of knowledge beyond those basics from

experience.  He knows things you simply cannot learn in school.

On Saturday evening, July 11th, at the Banquet speech, Bill McEwen elaborated

on the Amiga, Inc. plans from the marketing perspective.  He had a clear

outline of the path they'd like to take.  I will not cover the entire 
presentation, only the new items.

The news that we had all been waiting for was the revelation of the now 
infamous "MMC".  I have no such news, because Mr. McEwen had no such news.
He did, however, have the minimum acceptable specification for the "MMC".

First the market statistics that motivate decisions in Amiga Marketing:

                    Desktop OS Market

                   1997-1998    2000 (projected)
                 -----------------------
    Windows 95/98    69.4       65.0
       Windows NT     9.2       26.2
DOS / Windows 3.x     7.7         .3
            MacOS     4.6        1.9
            Linux     2.4        4.2
 DOS (no Windows)     2.3         .3
             UNIX     1.0         .5
        OS/2 Warp      .8        1.2
           *Other     2.7         .5

* Other includes BeOS and Amiga

It is obvious that our target market cannot be the same target market as
Microsoft's.  And, according to Bill, the Amiga must do in 1999 what it did
in
1985 -- it must hit the market with an attention getting *BANG* that makes
folks think, "WOW!  I have got to get me one of these!"

The new Amiga must fall within these loose specification:


Video & Sound

* Real-time 3D rendering engine with 2D primitives
* HDTV
  - Up to 1920x1080
* RGB, PAL & NTSC encodings
* Multiple simultaneous MPEG-II decoding
* Hardware filtering scaling, color space conversions, de-interlacing
* Dolby AC-3


Multimedia / RISC System

* Scalable through multiple multimedia processors (like the Classic Amiga)
* 56k modem (minimum)
* PCI Controller
* Rich development environment
  - C++, Assembler, debugger, linker, etc.
* Native Java VM


** CHIP SPECIFICATIONS ***

* 400 million textured, bit-mapped pixels per second.  With 24-bit per
  pixel, this corresponds to 1.2GB/s of output from the 3D engine.
* Comparison: ECS Amiga has ~8M/sec max access to chip memory
* A4000/A1200 systems hav maximum access of ~32M/sec to chip memory
  (Chip memory is where graphics and audio data resides)
* 4 simultaneous MPEG-II decoders



The path that Amiga, Inc. would like to follow is:
[ Taken directly from the presentation slides ]

* Gaming
  -  Imagination is the only limitation for this platform
     [ This where the money is, and really what the vast majority of
       computer users want from their computers ]

* Internet
  - Connected to people, entertainment & information
    [ Easy connection to internet.  Complete integration ]

* Digital Media and Broadcast
  - Digitized Realism
  - Expression of the imagination

* Electronic Paradigm Shift
  - Digital appliances prolific
  - Consumer Electronics and Computers converging
    [ Other companies are trying this now, but all are going their own
      direction.  Amiga can close this gap. ]


Amiga Virtues:

* Exec - best micro kernel in 1985
  - STILL the best now
  - Fully Pre-emptive
  - For new systems we need:
    > Memory protection
    > Virtual memory
    > Multi-processor
    > Real-time
      [ Bill points out that these are the goals for the new system ]

* Custom API's made the Amiga small, fast and efficient
  - Need OpenGL
  - Need Java
  - Need Internet
  - Need Convergence API's

* I/O in Custom chips
  - Need 1394 and USB
  - Need ADSL or similar high-speed network connectivity

* AutoConfig
  - PC's have "plug and pray"
    [ Although it sounds like a joke, the Amiga, despite it's lack of drivers
      is more truly plug and PLAY ]

* Dynamically configurable localization
  - STILL the only game in town
    [ Bill commented that this is a very important issue to Dr. Havemose
]


Other points of interest:

McEwen stresses that the new Amiga has to stand out from the crowd.  Pointing
out that current PC options are intimidating, not easy to use, expensive,
and
are often obsolete shortly after their release.  This causes a great burden
on an already weary PC purchasing public.  The goals they have set forth
will
lead to a personal computer where "personal" again has meaning.

This has always been a strong point of the Amiga.  McEwen mentions he's not
from this camp [Amiga], but he sees a community.  He stated in his presentation
that, "Gateway didn't have this big plan for the Amiga.  What they thought
they
had were patents and trademarks, they didn't know that all of you [the Amiga
community] came with it." The room broke with laughter.  Indeed, Gateway
could 
not have expected such a resounding response from what was thought to be
a dead 
platform.

I believe they see us now, and not as a burden, but an asset.  So, for those
of you that have any doubts about their sincerity, give them a chance.  Hear
them out.  I know you will be as surprised as I was by their dedication.


All of the bulleted text above was taken from the slides during the
presentation. Mr. McEwen promised the bulk of them will be posted on the
Amiga, Inc. site.
---

Now, on to the "issues" that seemed to infuriate so many in the Amiga
community.

What happened to Schindler?  Did his wife give birth to a bouncing baby boy?
Did Dr. Havemose deliver their child?

Needless to say, these rumors were unfounded... and just plain silly.  First,
Dr. Havemose is not a medical doctor.  Second, if Jeff's wife is pregnant,
it's news to he and his wife.

What happened to Dr. Havemose then?

I'll answer that in one sentence:  More contract negotiations required their
further attention which distracted them from less pressing issues, like shows.
I'd rather have them there working, than at a show playing.

So, to clarify, Jeff Schindler and Allan Havemose were not able to attend
AmiWest because they had Amiga business to attend to.

----

Thank you for your attention.

Transcriptions of the speech will be posted as they are completed.

Jeffrey D. Webster
Mirada Innovations / JDW Developments
VP, Software Development / Marketing

The following is a transcript of the irc.log sponsored by TeamAmiga, conducted by Gary Peake, who tirelessly brings the Amiga community an uninterrupted stream of Amiga news / press releases / items of interest, etc. Three individuals whom I would like to thank for making this month's SHOWTIME! possible include Jeffrey D. Webster, who supplied the reports above; Alan Crandall, Librarian for The Redwood Empire Amiga Users Group (and one of the Movers and Shakers of AmiWest '98), who tolerates my constant inquiries and graciously responds without fail; and Gary Peake, of TeamAmiga, a pivotal individual in the Amiga news realm. Many thanks to those, and many unmentioned, individuals, without whose efforts there would be no report in this issue.

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	Yes!
	There's Alan
	Hi Alan
	Where's Gary and Scott?
	 there's gary
«OP»	VideoTeck gives channel operator status to AmiWest
	(and commando)
	where?
	Casey... speak up!
	right now, Carl Sassanrath is holding a seminar about REBOL.
	I have yet to hear from Gary about who's echo'ing what where
	and were the source net is
	I'vwe already got 4 instances of AMiRc up
>dave_c<	we are feeding amiganet.org for right now. I am also going to join on beyong
«Topic»	VideoTeck sets topic to Show is online !!
*	Rebbi says "Yippee!"
*Dave_C*	I have #AMiWest98 from amiganet echo'ed to #Team*AMiGA on beyond.
*Dave_C*	Godsmith has had a net problem...
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*Dave_C*	someone killed their net this AM..
*Dave_C*	attacked thru the bots
«CTCP»	Got VERSION request from Puwaha.
	Carl sassenrath is giving a quick synopsis of Rebol to a crowd of amiga users here at Amiwest
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	Rebol appears to be a well implemented language, very simple from the slides he is showing.
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	Carl is actually giving examples of Rebol language sequence. The amiga users here are captivated by how easy Rebol seems to be in operation.
	So is Rebol a "language"?
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	puwaha: yes... very much like a meld of REXX and FORTH
	but w/ the RPN
	Surf to http://www.rebol.com/ to learn more about Rebol.
	Dave_c correct
	I know... I'm s tester
	So it's like Java, eh?
	NO...
	eg;  save %filename read http://some.web.address/filename
	that will d/l a file (not binary yet) and save to your local drive
	much easier than java
	I thought this channel was to be voice only for AmiWest reporters?
	ftp:// is available too.
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	al right...
	Rebol, pronounced like "Rebel" is similar in function to arexx, but has more extensions. 
	I';ll shut up...
	alan: go ahead an hit moderated
>mitchman<	should we voice only or leave as is?
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*Dave_C*	someone needs to echo this over to beyond
	Rebol is client based, portable and machine independant.
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>Dave_c<	are you going to echo it?
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*Dave_C*	I already have one going...
*Dave_C*	amiwest98->team*amiga
>Dave_c<	this is commando ... i was going to code an arexx script, but if you already have one going, then thats fine
>Dave_c<	because i could just type it into a window, and it would go out to all nets directly
*Dave_C*	It's only one way
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>Dave_C<	it would probably be much cleaner in operation ... make the information more direct.
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	this is a test
*VideoTeck*	Are you the only one to keep up this channel ? if so you better talk alot or maye dont moderate it just yet ?  Just asking :)
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	Carl is talking about how by using only variables Rebol can go ouut and build a complete web page.
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*Dave_C*	If you wanna whip that up... go ahead...
*Dave_C*	my script is tiny and only of use in one channel...
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*Dave_C*	Mine's real simple...
*Dave_C*	goes in any msg event and parses nick and msg
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*Dave_C*	then redirects to a differnet amirc
	He put a slide up of different op systems that Rebol would work on, the top of the list was Amiga. One of the audience asked if hois list was alpha or just coincidence. Everyone laughed
*Dave_C*	seems to be working
	He just recently added M$ to that list ... :)
>Dave_C<	(from commando) yea, quick arexx script
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	Carl is talking about different datatypes REBOL supports.
	simple datatypes are: none, logic (true/false), integer, Decimal, Fractions, Quads, Times, etc.
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	there are several types of string datatypes.
	string (text), binary, issue, email, file, or URL
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	he wants to express phone and visa numbers, etc. but they are too systematic for now ...
	but Issue will cover this type of data type for now
	Next is Aggregate Datatypes
	you have blocks, parens, lists, herds, and paths..
*Dave_C*	Do we have webcams up yet?
	all relate to link lists.
>Dave_C<	we are waiting for the guy to come WITH the camera.
>Dave_C<	and the toccata board for me to do news breifs with.. 
*Dave_C*	alan has one
	sort of like arrays.
*Dave_C*	I thought he was gonna use his along with godsmith's and another.
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>Dave_C<	i am told later tonight... 
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*Dave_C*	ok
>Dave_C<	i would have brought up my iv24 webcam from home, but transporting the card is a pain in the ass.
>Dave_C<	but as soon as the webcam comes in, ill code any software that is needed, and get it online.
*Dave_C*	godsmith is on #CNet now...
*Dave_C*	I told him you were waiting
*Dave_C*	 I have a ride this evening
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	(we are still here, carl has went into depth on some of the datatypes)
*Dave_C*	taking beyond channel moderated
	next...
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	Operational DAtatypes
	Function ... uses a function that is a function its self for making it shorthand
	next ...
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	Object
>Dave_C<	can you please give me voice?!?!?!?!
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>Dave_C<	irc.snowhill.com 
*Dave_C*	oops
	thanks .. heheh
	anyway, as i was reporting .. ;-)
	Operationa datatypes
	Function -- uses a function that is a function its self, but for making it shorthand
	OBject..
	allows you to assemble a common name for font prefs, etc.
	Carl now has a joke program for us, 99 bottles of beer on the wall ..
	it is a REBOL program
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	however, this program (99 bottles of beer on the wall) is very complex to properly compile the song.
	many language conventions are used.
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	This is not for beginners
	(as quoted from carl)
*Dave_C*	doesn't sound too hard to me... hehehehe
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	many language conventions are used.
	(oops)
*Dave_C*	a counter and an array of the rest of the lyrics
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*Dave_C*	what nets are you ffeding now....
	carl says that he has (in REBOL) one of the smallest "99 bottles" programs ... being that it has been ported to 100s of languages
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	The Rebol product line:
	REBOL/Share -- free download
	no timeouts, etc.
	REBOL/Core -- Registered
	REBOL/Pro -- Product
	REBOL/MEdia -- Free Download
	REBOL/Author -- PRoduct
	(www.rebol.com)
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	he says that 99% of developers will do the free download
	also, there are multimedia versions of REBOL, which is the Media version.
	down the road though, not initially released.
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	he says that REBOL will become attractive and may cause a movement because it is not platform dependent.
	REBOL/Author is sort of an authoring system...
	he says he has had this concept in his head for quite a while..
	There are also job openings!!
	hiring over 22 people over the next years...
	programmers, support, etc.
	Carl just posted a HUGE rebol program on the overhead..
	The biggest program in REBOL so far
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	(quote)
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	Carl is explaining the complex program... appears to be the mailing list software
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	this program fits on many slides with a really small font.
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	slides = transparancies
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	It is now Q and A time.
	in the room..
	the question: how intercompatible are the variable data types..
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	the answer: we thought a lot about this, and we have decided that if you really want to do that, you can write a function.  but we decided to have it signal an error.
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	the next question is refering to math accuracy, etc.
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	as in handling nuclear power plants..
	carl says that such accuracy will be down the road.
	he wants REBOL to be both external and internal.
	so REBOL scripts handle REBOL scripts, etc.
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	Carl says there is food and beer in room 401 ;-)
	lucky you :) *ops sorry*
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	Carl says one of his business cards has a misprinted date, and is worth a price.
	someone had it, and won a free REBOL t-shirt.
	Someone asked how cheap REBOL was compared to other products...
	he says that it will be cheaper to develop then JAVA ..
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	Carl doesn't want to have royalty fees for other developments of REBOL interpreters.
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	REBOL can be dynamically compiled... and if you are careful, it can be compiled as C.
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	Mention of FORTH has been brought up in a question
	Carl was the president of a FORTH company in the early 1980's he says.
	It looks like FORTH, but it handles different internally
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	mentioning of intercommunication in REBOL ... it is very doable.
	Carl has now concluded the seminar.
	We are now asking him to come to IRC for question and answer.
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	Carl is currently talking to a few people ... we will get him after he is thru.
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	Carl says, he will be back in a few minutes for that.
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	Before we go to Carl, we will now go to Bill McEwen, from Amiga Inc.
	Bill is telling a story of how he got where he is today..
	Bumblebee Software ... he started with ..
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	They were eventually bought out .. become GenSoft.
	Purchaced by Computer Associates
	From there, he moved to ConnectSoft.
	One of the first companies to move into the internet.
	with EmailConnection software
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	they coordinated multiple internet providers for wide service.
	the first company to intergrate email, etc. into a web browser...
	from there, he went to MCI ...
	NetworkMCI ...
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	While this was going on, MCI was talking to microsoft..
	MS also announced that they had a universal email client..
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	his software was dropped by multiple companies..
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	This is how he met Jeff S...
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	creating email software for kids to use.
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	When he left, the company had many great products...
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	they finally went bankrupt, due to microsoft's business practices.
	Jeff S. then had him look at the amiga ..
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	see what can be done..
	and use 3rd parties to help, etc. to get it where it should be.
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	he has 3 kids ...
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	(we will now switch to carl S)
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>mitchman<	can you moderate for Carl
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	Hello All.  REBOL Rocks!
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	Great to be back here typing on an Amiga... rather than one of those ugly other OSes.
«Nick»	You are now known as Carl.
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*Mitchman*	yes
*VideoTeck*	if anyone have q maybe we should unmoderate it ? amiwest ?
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>dave_c<	moderate Q&A!
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	Carl: Would you like a question queue?
	hey Carl what computer do u do your work on?
	Let's go unmoderated.... never liked that anyway...
	Carl: tell us all the news.. :)
	ok
	lol
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	Carl: you're addressing multiple nets atm...
	damn the NDA!  we want info ! :)
	hahahah
	sorry
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	Which computer?  Geeze... you don't want to know.  I'm about ready to toss it out the window.
	heh
	Carl: Will REBOL be a part of OS4?
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	I've tried everything to like it... but it just sucks.
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	ZX81 are useless, the 16k expansion keeps dropping off :)
*jcompton*	Hi Carl.  Nice picture of you in the Chicago Tribune Silicon Prairie.
	sucks is not very technical, but to the point;)
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	yeah and oncew you peel off the keyboard you're stuck :)
	aTmosh: not the one I was using in '83, it fit really well.
	I thought it would be a good idea to try to use it... but that's best left to other people.
	atmosh: I used Velco to keep the 16K from wiggling
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	please folks... we have Carl S here. Keep the off topic stuff in /msg
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	Ok, it was a joke, forget the ZX81 :)
	Thanks Jason.  Haven't seen it yet. Hows the article?
	how many ppl are working on the os?
	Carl: Do you find it difficult to explain REBOL to the masses?
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*jcompton*	Well, I was privately messaging you, but...
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	Carl:If I wanted to read more about Rebol, like examples etc, where do I go. The www.Rebol.com doesn't seem to have that.
	(I was talking to Carl about his picture in the latest Chicago Tribune Silicon Prairie, which has a super-positive article on the Amiga in it.  Carl has a nice portrait in it.)  I haven't read the article in great depth but what I have read is very positive and about as accurate as any non-Amigan has ever been in coverage.
	AAlley... the masses don't need to understand it.  You do. The grassroots does.  The rest will come. MS has proven that.
	carl: Are you talking with AI or do AI talk to you about rebol and possible integration in OS4 or maybe 5 ?
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	when do us alpha testers get updates? ;)
	Carl: from what I have understood there will be a shareware version of REBOL to download from the REBOL homepage? (if this is correct, when will this be?)
	I've had talks with AI.  Still open issue.
	SO Carl, how easy is REBOL to use/learn, for someone like me that dont really program at all?
	^^ from Cryto
	Carl: M$ have proven that sinking billions into marketing to the clueless masses pays
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	Yes. The primary version of REBOL will be shareware, but with no hooks or timeouts.  I expect 98% of the world to use this version.
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	A portion of the Chicago Tribune article is at chicago.tribune.com/go/siliconprairie.
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	Carl: u want Oprah money;)
	Where can you get REBOL?  Nowhere as of yet.  Still a few more months.  But, a prebeta will be available soon for testing...
	but only for technical folks who enjoy testing deep semantics.  After that, a beta will appear.
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	Carl: good, I was beginning to think you forgot about us hehe
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	If it's anything as nice as the early alphas I tested, it's gonna KILL!
	Carl: an ETA for the prebeta, and who can get it?
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	Carl:Is there some place I read about the language? As in examples?
	newlook: Never would forget.
	echo_ta: it's really easy to use rebol. You could write an email client in under 10 minutes :)
	newlook:no kidding..?!
	Carl: good to hear :)
	Ratleto: no joke :)
	newlook:whow
	The ETA for Prebeta is (was) July 15.  But, I'm not yet sure we'll make it by then.  And, it's a very narrow test version for kernel testing.
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	rebol is crossplatform then
	carl: seeing your place in amiga history, is AI taking your input on the development of 4.0/5.0 or do you have better things to worry about?
	Perhaps we should get back to Bill McEwen... since he's answering questions about Amiga and its future... and perhaps you all have a few questions, dont' you?
	yes.
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	a few (1,000,000
	)
	Ok... I'll be around the next few days... and will stop in on IRC as usual.
	thanks carl
	Great to be back on the channel.
	thanks Carl.
	great
	Carl: thanks for the update :)
	Keep rebelling. -Carl
	good luck Carl
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*	newlook will watch his mailbox ;)
	(carl heads back to the shack)
	Will there be another OS upgrade for "legacy" Amigas?
	We will..
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	is Bill still at the podium?
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	I want Dr. Allan Havelåge to come in here and speak ;-)
*Blast*	hi ta
*Blast*	remember me ? :)
	He's not there
	Havemose?
	he's backed out of the show
	volmer: he's not at the show
	couldn't take the heat eh? :)
	Ofcourse not.. That would be Havemose 8)
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	But anyway.. We didn't he show up?
	Bill Mcewen i sanswewring question s from the group here.
	amiwest: anything about the kernel ?
	Says that Allan Havemose wants and will have an open architecture.
	amiwest:when will we know the details about the next Amiga?
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	How many people are doing the OS coding?
	amiwest: You tell us...
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	2 :)
	Allan has people working with him in San Jose. We are also looking for an os partner. We thoought it would be done, but is not yet decided.
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	AI is looking at a wide marketing module, not niche markets.
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	AI is looking at a wide marketing module, not niche markets.
*CyborJim*	In an annoucement in Amazing Computing Amiga Inc was looking for an OS "partner".  Any word on this?
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	We already have large consumer elctronics companies talking and we are in the second and third rounds.
	This has got to be as revolutionary as it was in 1985.
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	This takes lots of money, fortunately we have a nice checkbook called Gateay.
	I have lots of people calling me looking for a replacement OS. 7 of the largest 10 have called me looking.
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	7 of the largest 10 consumer electronics companies have called me.
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	Bill is talking about things like Link Pad, and other things past.
*echo_ta*	 Uhm, like, whom?  (Or can you say?)
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	There are a lot of OSes out there, but NONE of them have the gfx capabiliyties that we can have with the new Amiga.
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	There are ONLY 3 canbdidates now as far as who the OS partner will be.
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	Bill is carrying 3 presentations with him because there are negotiations going on right now with possible partners. When the phone rings, any of these three thing scould be possible. That is why AI is holding until they have CONCRETE info.
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	Bill is saying that even at WOA London, negotiations went until 2 am with one partner that caused Ai to withhold info until they had CONCRETE info.
	Can we still program tothe hardware?  Yes, Allan Havemnose wants that ability for developers.
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	It will be object oriented OS anyways so hardware is no problem.
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	Have the delays with the negotiations caused a delay in the 1998 goal in november with developer system ... andswer NO!
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	Allan is working on the upper layer while also conducting negotiations along with fleecy moss and others.
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*echo_ta*	Casey: You still there?
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	this is gary
	casey is here too.
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*KarlosI*	hey gary, lemme know when your not busy I need to ask you a few questions about the ICOA election!!
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	What is AI doing about shortages of inventory?
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	Petro is away working to secure as many outside sources as possible. Moto is shutting down the 68000 line and will not restart for us.
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	What about ARos or PPC?
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	Has AROS been told by AI to stop work ... NO.
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	What will AI do about quickpak going out of business?
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	That is between Hembach, and Quickpak. Not AI.
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	test
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*VideoTeck*	ask, what about those waiting for a ppc card with 060, and wont get there ppc card because of 060 dropp out ?  humm i'm one of them :-/
	OK, bill was running over and is currently gone now. He will be here all weekend as will Carl sassenrath. Both will be coming over at random intervals as they get a chance.
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	As you can imagine both are just mobbed with people. Carl S waved a bunch off to come chat with us. He is here again now, just chatting.
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	halo
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	He will be back on after a afew. The ICOA is now going to hold a developer panel. I am going torelay what I can. Ignore any long pauses.
	so motorola close down the 68k line :-/ bye bye ppc card. Maybe it's a omen :)
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	VideoTeck:yes, but IBM owns it now. I don't think they'll just let it collect dust.
	IBM owns the 68k-line??
	Lorus: we'll see
	Sheesh, maybe they'll do a new and cheap 080.. yeah right ;-)
	amiwest: developer panel?
	VideoTeck:yup, we'll see.
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	has Holger Kruse demonstrated Miami Deluxe yet?
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	New home for for Amiga INc :moutain view..  New home for VMLabs : Los Gatos   (3 Kilometres). Coincidence ? :-)
	Volmer: No, but you can't have PPC cards without 68K chips.  At least, not these days.
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	Vid: Maybe Haynie will donate the Gemini card design ... that was 4 040 chips in one AMiga card, wasnt it?
	Volmer: Supposedly Haage and Partner are working on a 68K emulator that would remove the need for the 68K chip.
	Don't mot have a bunch of 060s just waiting to be packaged or something? What happened to those?
	IBM announced that it will end it's partnership with Motorola and is selling it's PowerPC chip plants to Motorola.
	Eric: They announced where they're moving to?
	jcompton:yes..people are already beta-testing it
	jcompton, I know.. my half-broken 060 will do fine for another two years of waiting.. I can't afford a PPC-board w/o 68k anyway ;-)
	jkay: hmm well
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	There is such a thing as a "last time buy".  Which means they notify all companies currently purchasing 68k's and say place your final order.
	Btw, mot closing the 68k line must surely mean not *developing* it any more, at least the lower end chips still sell very well from what I've heard..
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	RazMA: that`s new to me...is this the bogus rumour bazar ?
	BTW, Dave Haynie archives are at http://www.thule.no/haynie
	AI people doesn`t answer questions about PPC...that`s interesting...a proof to what I`ve heard
	Merko: exactly, the 68k is still widely used as an EC, and why close down already developed things ?
	I work for Ericsson and we use 68030's.  We are looking to convert to PPC in 2000, but not before then.
	JCOmpton: not at Amiwest. But I'am reading a new issue of a french Amiga magazine
	laire: that's what IRC is all about
	later...
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	laire: Motorola gave us a last time buy option.
	well..as a competition i`m wondering why they would send you anything:-)
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	laire: so phase5 have been aware of the 68k dropp off for a time ?
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	laire: I don't think it's used in competing products. ;D
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	XT: If you were losing money on them, or were having financial difficulties and wanted to streamline your business (which is in fact true for Motorola) you might make such a move (which they have)
	#amiwestta2
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	hi carl
	laire: The 030s I've seen run far too hot for me to believe they would be of any use in a mobile phone. ;D
	hi Carl
	carl: are you going to work on the new Amiga OS 4.x / 5.x ?
	jcompton: I have hard to belive that (M) actually loosing money on the 68k line..'
	Merko: They aren't used in mobile phones...they are used in PBX's.
	Guess I'll chime in here.  Regarding the 68K, I've never understood why it's not sourced somewhere else... it the demand exists, someone will make it.
*jcompton*	It looks like you're doing pretty well as the one-man coding and PR machine.
	look at Videoteck...the perfect example what rumours do to confused users
	Merko: My Nokia 232 has one
	XT: Maybe, maybe not, but they are in a lot of trouble and they are streamlining their business.
	RazMATTaz: Yeah.
	jc: From what I understand, Moto's components division is not losing money.
	Back in the mid-80's we were talking to various Japanese companies about producing the 68020.
	laire :)
	can we talk about old nostalgic times? like what happened (or not) to CAOS?
	Manowar2: Proof to what?
	Seem that if Mot is going to abandon all of this... then its time for others to move in. Of course, Mot would have to play a part.
	North: it exists...as the name for the PPC->AmigaOS interface structure:-)
*	NorthWay fwumps laire
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	KarlosI: Really? Some stripped down version at low mhz then I guess?
	The surest sign that Motorola is in trouble: For years, they rented out the entire Six Flags park near Chicago for the company picnic.  Not this year.
	johan:talks about PPC-Bridge behind the scene
	NorthWay: CAOS is just a notebook on my shelf at this point.
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	jcompton: We'll see, but I still don't think there is any danger.. ..and if we should belive some (one?) person in c.s.a motorola just shifted the 060 line to a different fabric..
	carl: Just how difficult would it be to take OS3.1 and make it PPC native?
	Merko: heh well it deos get hot, when I use it for long periods of time
	carl: Any chip can be made for any price.  But that price might be too prohibitive.
	jcomp: well..my impression about Motorolas management was never good
	jcompton: Sure they didn't just hire something else instead? ;D
	about a year ago they played manager roulette..
	Merko: Very sure.  This year, only the interns got the free trip to Six Flags, and it obviously was not a rented-out park.  I know, because it was today.
<_ego>	XT600: Since when was it safe to believe ANYONE on usenet? ;)
	jc: heh
	Merko: (and there's been no mention of a general company picnic on that sort of scale)
	jcompton: Well, it IS the first year with a net loss in 13 or something..
	carl: how far was CAOS from completition? was Tripos the only other option? (BCPL sucks)
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	Raz: Probably not that big a deal... the problem is the custom chips.
	_ego: :) that was why I included the "source" ;)
	Gnight
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	north: stop programming assembler..then it doesn`t suck as much:-)
	never!
	Carl: Is it a possibility that REBOL can be used as a replacement to REXX?
	jcompton: Needn't mean much more than that..
	laire: No, it sucks more, because you keep having to cast the result of a BADDR() macro...
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	Merko: No, but at some point one can start to form a hypothesis.
	womble: but because of the types you don`t forget it..
	North: CAOS was contracted out... for the most part... to a company that felt Unix was a better choice and didn't buy into my design.  They became history when they started using their Sun
	Well, have fun grilling the celebrities, everyone.  See you around.
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	jc: cya
<_ego>	Companies have been known to cut lines that make a small profit when streamlining
	development systems for other projects, not the Amiga higher level OS functions.
	Well, if AI owns the custom chips, the production of those can be outsourced.  So why not just bite the bullet & go PPC native?
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	thanks
	and here I think it was a Los Gatos thing
	RazMATTaz: What, still using the same custom chips?
	think=thought
	but whatever..i never really understood BCPL as a serious pain..the real problem were the missing documentation
	carl: The CHAOS design itself would be interesting to have on in the Haynie Archives (could rename it to Haynie/Sassenrath Archives :)
	all: has anything been announced yet?
	Carl: Is it a possibility that REBOL can be seen and used as a replacement to REXX for the Amiga Next generation?
	CARL:when will there be a Rebol Demo for Amiga OS ?
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	Can REBOL replace AREXX.  Yes... in the long run.  But not right away.  REBOL takes a much broader view of intercommunications.  It has a concept of message ports that is core to it... but the
	Womble: Yes, with my graphics board, audio card, etc.  I don't really use that part of the custom chipset.
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	Mitch: do you have the old writeup by Andy(?) Wossname
	NorthWay: Andy Finkel? no
	Mitch: ah. I'll find it
	ports can exist on *any* platform, *any* OS.  Whether it can mesh well with existing AREXX applications has yet to be seen... yet I hope it will, because it allows relative expressions... grammars
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	# Appears as ARMANDO.
	Womble: It's processor speed that is my problem, not the custom chipset.
<_ego>	RazMATTaz: But AI don't realy need to go PPC native since they don't have plans to produce Amiga "Classic" anyway do they?
	NorthWay: thanks, if it's written, scan it and I'll OCR it
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	IF anything going to replace ARexx, it have to be completly compatible.. the total support of Arexx on the Amiga is one very strong thing totally unseen on other platforms..
	that can be customized to various environments.
	bah amirc lag
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	XT600: I agree with you on that AREXX point... yet, AREXX isn't my favorite language.
	XT: AREXX is outdated and by far inferior to his counterpart (REXX) on the PC!!
	Just a reminder that the Dave Haynie Archives is online at http://www.thule.no/haynie/
	his = it's
	KarlosI: Have you tried NetRexx yet?
<_ego>	Karlos: Yeah well thats what happens when you upset the programmer. ;)
	Carl: Can REBOL be considered completly compatible with AMiga?
	carl: Not mine either, I promise :) ..but it's extremly supported by "all" the app's..
	Car: NetRexx, nope
	Mitchman: that URL isnt working here....(server no response)..
	_ego: No, but it sure would fill a huge gap we have now.
	KarlosI: but the support in app's for Rexx in for example OS/2 or OS/400 is very weak..
	KarlosI: ARexx's main strength is that it's standard, not that it's unbelievably good..
	XT: true
	XT600: Of course... there are two sides to the support of AREXX at the app level.  Once side is easy to "fake out".
	ActiveLow: you use a proxy and the proxy is down perhaps
	Merko: Point taken
<_ego>	RazMATTaz: Hmm, Would it?  I mean P5 are heading pure PPC already.
	Mitch: Nope, straight Frac T...
	ActiveLow: the page is up
	But, that's not my primary goal.  As I said, REBOL is going for a much broader definition.
	Mitch: Ok I'll try again..
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	Carl: I see
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	ActiveLow: try a traceroute, could be you're hitting the Worldcom problems on the east coast
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	Mitch: okay
	_ego: That would work too.  I just think someone should do it.
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	carl: but as i said, if another language going to replace Arexx, it MUST be able tu use the old Arexx-ports..
	Carl: Out of curiosity can we expect a Amiag Demo of REBOL soon? And btw what platforms is a demo availbale on right now if any?
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	XT600: That's like saying that a new amiga using a different chip must be able run old amiga apps
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	ego: pure PPC only makes sense if there`s a native OS...emulating an outdated 68k OS is no serious option
	XT600: It is, actually, not my intention to replace it... as it is also not my intention to replace Java.
	XT600: Technology as far spuperceeded that for that to be possible IMHO!
	carl: what kernel wouldy YOU like to see in a new amiga ?
	KarlosI: No ? ..but personally i think that it have to run all OS-legal apps..
	Carl (Mr kernel God) have you had a chance to look at the BeOS kernel? is it true there a few problems in the SMP code?
	laire: Couldn't have said it better myself. :)
	laire: what's the serious option?
	jalvarez: BeOS is too closely tied into C++ to be useful
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	carl: Why do you compare Java with REBOL? Aren't they for different sorts of jobs anyway?
	jalvarez: JavaOS is a better alternative
	Looks like the next session is starting... and I'm on the panel.  Hope to talk with you all again soon.
<_ego>	laire: Maybe so, but it doesn't make sense for A Inc to divert resources porting the current OS when they have plans for the next one does it?
	carl: in future AOS, or "overall" ?
	Returning control of the vertical to AmiWest....
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	cya carl
	thanks carl
	Whoops, he just answered that anyway...
	ego: i can`t see the connection to what i said...
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	control has been returned to Casey Halverson, who will be reporting the next seminar.
<_ego>	laire: Well the original suggestion was that AI should "bite the bullet" and move from 680x0 to PPC.  That would only apply to Amiga classic.  The NG won't rely on 680x0 anyway
	Mitch, I can accept that, but I still think BeOS is interesting, and fast!
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	ego: i can`t follow you
	Up next, Bill McEwen, Carl Sassenrath, Kermit Woodall, and Jesse McClusky will be holding a Technology Discussion Panel.
	jalvarez: BeOS is not interesting for me atleast
	The length is 45 minutes.
	all: has anything been announced yet?
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	the channel will be placed on moderation when the next seminar starts.
	use #AmiWest98 for general discussion please
	or #amiga
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	ok ..
	we will start now.
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	One question brought up is the fact of will we have to start all over again if a new/better chip comes along better then the one Amiga inc chooses.
	Bill brings up that if you use the API properly, such an issue will not happen.
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	The question was rephrased into the whole idea or concept of such a chip.
*zeg*	(carl) excuse me, is there a complete text file around about all the signatures from the A1000 case? i couldnt decipher all the symbols.
	Bill says that it is all in the driver and API for future compatibility.
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	Bill talks about meeting under NDA with all sorts of different companies..
	and convergance.
	They want to add 'humanizing features' to these chips...
	bill says two things will happen, appliance/computer convergance...
	stereos, etc. communicating with one another.
	bill talks about user friendly electronics and computers..
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	to avoid 'dads tech support' situiations.
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	Carl says that the next Amiga's creation will be an art form.
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	Bill says even though technology is getting better and better and better, security issues are still a big problem .. as well as .. no one can operate the technology.  Its getting better, but what does it matter if you cannot make use of it?
	Bill brings up the value of standards..
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	Bill asks, 'how can i make money from this?'  'what will dad buy?'  'what will the schools buy?'
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	Someone questions on the different perceptions and directions that people invision...
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	bill says that there are specific values which make an Amiga an Amiga..  without these, would it still be an Amiga?
	Bill promisses that what we know the Amiga as will maintain the same, spiritually.. even if it changes bodies, it is the same engine.
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	Kermit refers to the transission from the Amiga 1000 to the Amiga 2000 ...
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	the 2000 lacked a keyboard garage, etc.
	people said 'this is not the amiga'
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	Kermit mentions the Internet makes a good channel for negative feedback ... and terrible for positive feedback
	Someone brings up the issue of not having any news, and that being the cause of rumors to generate.
	Bill mentions he 'has to say under certain RADAR' ....
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	within 20 minutes, one time, Bill received email from 200 people instantaniously that Amiga, inc. was bought out by Be, inc.
	Bill assures us that Be will NEVER EVER buy us ....
	or go that direction.
	Bill appoligies on lack of news..
	and says he is really good on writting about nothing ...
	purposely.
	he says straight out .. 'i cannot tell you what is going on'
	'im not going to'
	'i will anytime i can say so'
	Someone questions the hacker/enthusists group interacting with a convergance market..
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	Carl says that home computers have always been designed for both .... one to sit in the living room, and also be able to dig deep into the layers for that hacker spirit..
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	someone mentions the many uses of the amiga currently, she questions what will be the attractive for the new amiga?
	he says keep the work up, keep the applications up, but we seriously lack photo editing packages.
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	1) entertainment
	2) productive
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	3) education
	4) financial packages
	'then work your way down the food chain'
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	bill says the biggest bang for your buck is low-end software development
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	one question brought up is on the video standard of the systems..
	and that the hardware exceeds HDTV
	'there are things in the OS which can handle all sorts of displays'
	lowend, highend support..
	the application its self should be targeted differently...
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	someone asks, 'where will you buy the new amigas?'
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	bill says that they will be sold at normal amiga outlits, but also at a store where it has a specific application..
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	such as photography, etc.
	Bill refers to how many people are developing Amiga systems..
	there may be 2 different markets..
	mainstream and non-mainstream
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	bill says there is NO contracts, etc.
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	if Sony wants to license amiga for a set-top box, they already have their distribution network in place.
	so they send it there direction.
	'we also can make sure the existing channels have access to it...'
	to enhance sales.
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	bill clears that we are NOT licensing with Sony.
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	bill 'if there is an existing market, go there first.'
	(marketing 101)
	bill says there are certain specifications...
	for chip, etc. hardware...
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	and that concludes the panel.....
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	(someone thanks for the tip on Sony)
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<^elendil^>	hey..i can speak :)
	Convergence products...  I hope Amiga won't be competing against Sony.  That's a tough row to hoe.
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	sony dont make computers, yet :)
	We are in the midst of changing conferences ... will be back in ten.
	Bill  Rehbock (Commodore) is working for VM LAbs (Project X) idem for Nicholas Lefevre  (father of "Net Yaroze- Playstation SONY) - Some partners : MOTOROLA, THOMSON, TOSHIBA. MOTOROLA want to make a new game console with project X (code name 'Blackbird")
	k
*pOMAc*	Excuse me, I hope that this is the place to ask (missed any rules that might have been) But "Will Amiga inc/int license/market software for AmigaOS?" Ie more than just h/w and os, They could buy up existing s/w but sell/distribute it under the Amiga name. (Hope it works like this =))
	Sony makes computers.
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	hey videoteck: what do you call the VAIO?
	okey sorry :) no mass marcet computers then
	The VAIO 505 is remarkable.
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<^elendil^>	zinn: a psx is not a computer..it's a console...
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	So who said there won't be Amiga game consoles?  CD^32, remember?
	I hope there will be
<^elendil^>	zinn: not a computer! a console!
	hmm.....
	if it hasn't got a keyboard then I'm not interested
	Is anyone selling his FMV cart for the cd-32, I'm still looking for one :-)
	Zinn: with the "MCC" that will be possible :-)
	there will be a whole range of products, kreton
	consoles are a good idea I think.. games get young people interested in computers
	What ?
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	Hi
	hi
	Any news from the show??
	Imagine Amigas as arcade mashines, They might be cheap enugh And if mmc (and amigaos) supports multiprocessing then we have a hit =) Next vr game will be powerd by amiga or what? =)
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	pOMAC: Hopefully  :-)
	AmigaMMC: =), /me has manny strange and usefull ideas =)'
	pOMAc: Amiga for world domination!
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<^elendil^>	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! oops :)
	AI announced a new super computer that will power the soon to be developed FTL spaceships.  Oops wrong universe, couldn't see for all the vapor.
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	Will there be an official press release from AI  at Amiwest ?
	hehe
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	HomerHC - you`re right. It won`t be FTL - it`ll be the Improbablility Drive ;-)
	Has anyone heard news about the Siamese PCI card?  They talk like it will be RSN.
	Zinn: the Siamese PCI card *is* the OS4 Developer's Amiga
	Zinn: I cant wait until its released
	fibbs: Ofcource
	and none of them are here
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	Zinn: well actually I can wait until september. :) Cos thats when I'll be able to start saving or get a loan or whatever..
	AFAIK, Siamese PCI is supposed to be released sooner than OS4.
«Nick»	^elendil^ is now known as powerUP.
	I don't want an Amiga so powerful to drive out all competition, I just want an Amiga powerful enough to DESTROY MicroSloth
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	rumor mill's, if they could make power we could close all other power plants :]
	Zinn: but if they take longer than september to release it.. hm, I'll have to start rioting and stuff
	I need ppc support...i don't care for sony or any games console!
«Nick»	Volmer is now known as NejTilPPC.
	PowerPC is a dead end.
	Yeah! We need Intel-crap! :)
	Zinn: if PPC's a dead end whats Intel?
	Loads!
	Intel structure roolz!!
	Have you guys read today's article on The Chicago Tribune about Amiga?
	Zinn: PPC looks like it has a better future than Intel.
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	AmigaMMC: nope, what does it say?
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	zinn: you stupid or just irritating?
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	have a look: www.chicago.tribune/go/siliconprairie
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	fibbs: not necessarily; Motorola has made big losses this year
	PPC is dead - argh we're all gonna die, 'cos we have to shift system in two years, argh argh..
	amigammc: tell us tellus!
	Riley: Everyones hurting because of the asian crisis.
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	All I want is an ami I can program without any hardware restraints like chip mem speeds and crippling planar gfx....
	AmigaMMC: no DNS...
	fibbs: it's not all because of that...they have made big screw-ups in their mobile-phone business
	<- Saw intel mentioned in a positive way, plz choose a cpu that can handle that there is more than one cpu.
	nejtil: stop it..you are making me cry... :)
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	AmigaMMC: I cant connect to that site
	no DNS entry found
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	It's a really good article, all praises on Amiga and a nice picture of a hand coming out of the grave to get grip on a mouse the computer one, not the animal)
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	AmigaMMC: What is the exact URL ?
	amigammc: hehe :)
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	http://www.chicago.tribune.com/go/siliconprairie   Sorry guys, forgot the .com before... but you should have got that one!!
*	pOMAc thinks that PPC is a better way to go than intel becouse of the ability to slip in a additional cpu...
	Amiga is not going PowerPC or Intel.  It is going another way.
	pOMAC: OS5 will be multi-cpu (multi-MMC)
	AmigaMMC: groan.. i thought that URL didnt look quite right. hehe
	pomac, btw - it's possible to run multiple intel-cpu's too..
	AmigaMMC: Yes But how good will MCC be on things like that
*	powerUP thinks ppc is the only way...to late to back out now....
	NejTilPPC: Not as good as ppc
	Nej: multi-intel? What for? create more mess than a single one can accompl
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	there we go
	there he is
	:)
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	and bots took the host, great
*Womble*	Hello!
*Womble*	What's going on there?
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«Nick»	You are now known as amiwest.
	Gary?
	amiwest: what's up today ?
	Alan?
	carl sassenrath is fixing to come on live!
	Casey?
	Gary
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	 /whois AmiWest
	Paul Nolan is demoing Photogenics!!
>dave_c<	this is gary
*Dave_C*	something's wierding on my script...
*Dave_C*	and I can't find it.
*Dave_C*	It started feeding back this AM
*Dave_C*	grrrr
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*Dave_C*	use Casey's thing would ya?
*Dave_C*	it worked fine yesterday
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*beezo*	i pre-orderd that WAAAY back at the St. Louis show, it's AWSOME!!  but was supposed to be done by WOA in England
	Olaf Barthell has done a lot of work on the Developer CD. It is now v2.1 and is in the hnads of Allan Havemose and Fleecy Moss. Most RKM bugs have been fixed and documentation is also in html. It is being prepped to burn copies, etc.
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	what is the Developer CD for? programming?
>dave_c<	casey isn
	't around yet and someone shut the damn computer down last night
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	Why is the show offline? :)
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	has a Kernel been announced?
>dave_c<	casey isn't around yet.
	Has Paul Nolan decided when Photogenics-NG will be out?
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	Paul is still demoing will ask him questions after the demo
	Gary: Change the topic
	amiwest, ok thank you
	;^)
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	Lorus:No kernal has been announced. Bill hasn't given his speech yet, but we don't look for that this weekend.
*Dave_C*	well wake his young ass up.
*Dave_C*	Shouldn't have hung out in the 'stripbar' last night!
*Dave_C*	;^)
	I heard some BIG announcement will happen about the new amiga, is this true?
	You're just 2 months late for that one :)
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	Beezo, not from AI as far as we know. So far announcements are: 1. Dave Haynie has allowed us to have some of his works. They are at http://www.thule.no/haynie
	rmerlin, if you has read on cucug.org you would have seen more on what im talking about
	2. Carl Sassenrath is actively planning a full release of rebol for everyone sometime this summer late ... no charge.
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	actually, that should be a full, uncrippled shareware version
	3. Olaf Barthel has updated the Developer CD to v2.1 with as many bug fixes to code and rkm's as he knew about to fix. It is being prepped for sale and distribution.
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	2.1?
	What happened to 2.0?
	Dave_c: Correct on the Rebol 
	nod
	what is this about a new Kernal??
*Dave_C*	ok..
*Dave_C*	I found the feedback loop
*Dave_C*	we're hot in beyond.
	RMerlin: Olaf told me that he has done so many bug fixes that he went to 2.1
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	amiwest: Considering the last one was 1.2, I fail to see the logic behind this... 
*echo_TA*	maybe one day, I'll get together w/ Casey and make this thing 2 way
	Anyway, not as if I needed that CD.
	He probably had a 2.0 ready, and then made more improvements...
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	RMerlin: See Olaf? That was how he phrased it to me? It was his work, his decision. That may not be how AI releases it once it is burned and distributed. That is how he prepped it.
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	Carl is ready for Q&A on Rebol.
	http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~pnolan/photogenics/grabs.html  for Photogenics-NG screen grabs!!  This is IMPRESSIVE!!!
	Tell Carl to get online :)
«Nick»	You are now known as REBOL-Car.
«Nick»	You are now known as REBOL.
	Hello all.  Paul's new photogenics looks quite good.... need to get a copy.
	rebol, I pre-oreded in March when he previed it!!
	Can't wait until it has REBOL embedded.
	That's what happens when you don't have Jolyon in the way ;)
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	REBOL: so you gonna give us a pre-spill, or is it just a free-for-all?
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	snapper: you missed my other response :)
	snapper: first of all, there was no bridge system when I bought this system. Secondly,
	  it doesn't matter if there was or not, it wouldn't have been $1500 then :)
	[TheBarron]   FEH!
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	uh.. okay :)
	Ok... sure, I can say a few words about REBOL...
	What kinda bot is amires?
	But, perhaps this should be more personal.... nick change...
	Is this Rebol time or PornoGraohX like the topic says ?
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	thebarron: egg
	Ok. That's better.
	VideoTeck: ugh.. must be Team Amiga in control of this channel instead of Amiganet people, eh? :)
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	REBOL will be freely distributed for all major platforms... including the Amiga, BeOS, Linux, Mac, BSD, and other lessor known, lessor useful alternatives.
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	thebarron: i'm only beeing nice ;) so the channel dont become opless
	thanks ;)
	well... if the other TA ops were to get OPS, maybe it wouldn't take so long
	Not *shock* Windows? ;-)
	yeah but what does REBOL really DO!?  what's the point of it, it sounds like another JAVA wanna be thing
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	REBOL isn't like Java at all.  Completely different.
	limp me in with windows will ya ;)
	Thanks RMerlin
	amiga is a MAJOR platform???  with .5% of the market? hehehe
	the only MAJOR OS is 95/Netware
	That's what I was waiting for to ask, actually.. Let's just say I'm just Joe User.. what does REBOL mean for me?
	beezo: Well still larger than OpenSco or such :)
	Java and C++, etc. are systems programming languages, and that is not the intent of REBOL.
	beezo: please, no AMIGA bashing
	rmerlin, yet we don't have 10% of the support that they have
	beezo:it's always been a MAJOR platform, just never marketted properly.
	rmerlin: Did these folks not get AmigaNet help for this channel? This is kinda sad :)
	REBOL aims at intercommunications, whether between computers or people.
	we're trying to rectify your assertions
	shutup and let the man talk
	echo, im NOT bashing it!! I'm looking at it REALISTCALLY!!!
	I think mderated would be a good idea
	TheBarron: I don't know, I just got up.
	please
	Carl doesn't like moderated, but...
	yeah im gonna bash the amiga when I have a $3,000+ amiga with PPC
	REBOL brings a new abstraction to the scripting/programming process, that I personally believe will be more powerful that of object oriented approaches.
	Ya, but he types slow ;)
	Carl: What these non-believers need is to see some smaple code. That might expain it some.
	In fact, I think it will give people several times the leverage... within the solution space of their problems.
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	Actually, I don't want to see any code. I want to see a use.
	What if you want to use it to control an OO program? Wouldn't it be useful to have OOP support then?
	carl, but this is only good for admin type people
	For instance, if you are expressing the elements and behaviors of a GUI, you want to speak in GUI terms.
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	Express it directly.  Don't filter it through some sort of programming language's limited view of how it should be expressed.
	Put a URL in the topic
	Of course, all of this sounds complicated.  But, as those at AmiWest are learning... it's really quite simple.
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	What does 'directly' mean, in terms of GUI design?
	s/terms/the case/
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	carl, this sounds like MUI or something
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	MUI Is not a language
	Carl:Is Rebol so easy to use that I, with no real programming-skills can make a program that reads a browser for URL and Title, and send it to a file with a comment, and then upload it to my account? (I got an arexx-script doing that now)
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	(and the arexx-script is not made by me)
	carl: is there gonna be a huge html or guide file with the amiga release, then i think about help docs :) ?
	I don't understand this REBOL, I mean how usefull is it?  It does'nt sound like it's needed for average compter users.
	Carl That would take what 5 lines of Rebol code or so
	Beezo: No, not just for admin type people.... but anyone who needs to solve these kinds of intercommunications kinds of problems.
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	Carl: how similar is REBOL to Arexx?
	VideoTeck: Yes, there will be a guide written in REBOL, which translates quite easy to HTML (and will be posted as well).
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*echo_TA*	Carl: I have some of the early beta scripts here... want me to paste a couple?
	carl: great
	Carl: Do one need to resubscribe with the rebot now that it's up again btw? It's been awfully silent. :)
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	So REBOL is for intercommunications.. Is it also for normal programming? Say you sit down to code an application.. are you gonna use REBOL, or C and intercommuicate with REBOL?
	all: If Carl will ok it, I have some sample REBOL code here... (REBOT)
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	echo_TA: Watch out for the bot.
	I can dcc if he says ok
	T-Rex: REBOL and ARexx are completely different.
	Lousy eggdrop
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	go on
	eggdrop rocks ;)
	Carl: so does it communicate with s/w via a port?
	eggdrop works ;)
	sometimes :-/
	Jojon: Everyone is still on REBOT who signed up.  We just haven't said anything yet.
	so does Dancer.
	eggdrop sucks, but that's not what we're here for..
	More will be said soon.
	echo_ta: if you are a programming master yes
	thebarron : yes, a dropped egg sucks, but eggdrop doesn't :ž
*	Ratleto tries again... A question for Carl:
	Carl:Is Rebol so easy to use that I, with no real programming-skills can make a program that reads a browser for URL and Title, and send it to a file with a comment, and then upload it to my account? (I got an arexx-script doing that now)
	(and the arexx-script is not made by me)
	echo: That bot is probably to complex an example.... but how about this.
	TheBarron Yes, we'll be using Rebol for our portable GUI applications
	carl, I don't see NOVELL listed on your website for support!!  Will you do a Novell Netware port?
	Here are a few lines.... to give you the flavor...
	snapper: so the actual code sitting on an individual machine that renders/operates the GUI is in REBOL?
	beezo: get outta here! :)
	Why the heck do we care about NOVELL in this channel at this moment? :)
	The first ... and traditional, is the hello world:
	print "Hello World"
	TheBarron Yes, we write it once and any machine/os that has Rebol can run our app
	Tough one.
	for REBOL support ALL platforms!! and NOVELL is a BIG platform OS!
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	Carl: heh
	Carl: if you wanted to send that line to, say, the printer?
	Ok so big deal. C does that...perhaps with a few more lines. But, now try this one in C:
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	beezo: ok, great.. this is #amigawessta though :)
	Carl: That's a bogus comparison. Why would anyone write scripts in C?
	Carl: How about comparing REBOL and Perl (my current scripting language of choice)?
	Womble: let the man talk
	send billg@microsoft.com "Amiga Will Arise"
	Ok. Simple idea. Simply expressed.  That's it.
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	carl: do you think bill minds about the amiga ?
	Am I being ignored...?
	So perhaps you don't think Bill will read that.... then:
	Womble One would write scripts in C because they don;t want to learn another language, that's why we licensed FPL
	Sorry to interrupt...when  Mr. Sassenrath is done talking answering questions about Rebol, will he have time to answer some questions about the Amiga?
	loop 10000 [send billg@microsoft.com "Amiga Will Arise"]
	Carl: so the mechanism for actually sending that message are within REBOL, or where? Sound highly interpreted in that example.. optimization?
	Now, perhaps, you get the idea.
	Let me guess... the first successful REBOL programs will be bulk mailers, right? ;-)
	the ultimate spamming language :P
	heh
	Zeqk: yeah.. But he's answering REBOL atm.. he'll be gone later, then we can bicker :)
	What about other times of messages.....
	Carl: so Rebol will be a simpler way to make more efficient tasks for those who are not code "gods" ?
	Carl: what do you figure the chances are in a marketplace dominated with IDE's containing "Visual" in their names?
*	TheBarron shuts up since Carl is obviously on a line of thought irrelevant of questions atm :)
	TheBarron Lets put it in real world terms, YOU could write a browser in a couple days in Rebol, or an email app in an after noon.. I meant you personally
	Mitchman: VisualRebol will have to appear later I guess. :)
	What's the difference between data and code? None. The language is highly reflective..... and that's where we get into the REBOL "Relative Expressions"
	.
	I don't think people want to use command line interpreter, so I dunno how REBOL will do good.
	But, on with examples, this time some data:
	info: [
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	  "RJ" rj@example.com 1-Feb-98
	   "Dale" duck@boing.net 27-Mar-98
	]
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	send dave@somewhere.com info
	Get it?
	hm, that's a bit like associative stuff in Perl
	Carl: How soon will there be a GUI to REBOL ?
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	Of course, data is easily manipulated...
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	send second info "Hi RJ"
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	'lo
	Thus, build lists, arrays, databases... not only that contain data, but code as well.
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	Here's another example:
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	foreach file load %*.txt [ if find file "microsoft" [delete file] ]
	You can of course, build a function that does that...
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	almost LISP like []'s :)
	To build a function, use make function:
	my-func: make function! [args] [body]
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	This is done so often, that I've created a function for creating functions:
	(see if you can follow this... it's not as tought as you might think)
	Carl: This looks like a functional language. Would that be a reasonable statement to make?
	carl will it be easy for a relative novice to write these scripts, perhaps a simple front end or macro recording . will it be usfull for say useing a null modem and a copy of rebel on the amiga and pc to comunicate between a running amiga prog and pc prog ,will rebel need the apps to be writen for it ?
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	Does it require HUGE (DLL type) files to run?
	or others
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	func: make function! [args body] [make function! args body]
	carl: how about operator overloading?
	Now I can simply say:
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	del: func [spec] [foreach file load spec [if find file "microsoft" [delete file]]]
	del %*.txt
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	The % sign is needed to distinguish names from files.... required for cannonical REBOL code, but in about a page of REBOL you can create your own CLI that does not require them.
	I'll stop now and glance at some questions.
	What if you define another function called "del" that takes a second argument, will REBOL let me do it and will it call the right one?
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	Carl:Is Rebol so easy to use that I, with no real programming-skills can make a program that reads a browser for URL and Title, and send it to a file with a comment, and then upload it to my account? (I got an arexx-script doing that now)
	(and the arexx-script is not made by me)
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*	Ratleto asks that for the 3'rd time now...
	Rat: yes.. it can do that easily
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	Carl: the concept of a class is not used in rebol?
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	save %file read http://www.address.net/filename
	MrPop: Yes... you can use it in many different modes.  Apps... some will be written in REBOL... others in C will communicate with REBOL.
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	What would be the advantage/disadvantage of writing an app in REBOL as opposed to C?
	Ratleto: You mean as in AREXX?
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	(on the same machine)
	carl:yeah
	no code compiling at all?
	read URL and Title in a browser, send info to a file
	Barron: REBOL is designed for high leverage, high level.  You can write entire apps in it if you like.  The Beta of REBOL now supports programming in the large... with it's switch to static binding.
	carl: I have rdocupdt.r here....
	carl : you've shown us that rebol has mail support.. does it have support for all other functions?  Is it easy to create sockets, is it easy to download through ftp?
	want me to send it to someone or paste it?
	Actually, binding isn't static, but "definitional".  You can "import" words into your current context... but this is more advanced kind of stuff.
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	Carl: so it's not it's intent to replace a low-level language such as C for wholesale programming?
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	Carl: what do you figure the chances are in a marketplace dominated with IDE's containing "Visual" in their names?
	Carl: the concept of a class is not used in rebol?
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	What if you define another function called "del" that takes a second argument, will REBOL let me do it and will it call the right one?
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	carl: how about operator overloading?
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	echo: Not sure that's the best example... how long?
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	echo: how long is it? (Sorry)
	Good Morning from Nara, Japan.....
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	How would REBOL communicate with applications that weren't written with "remote control" in mind?
	464 bytes
	ooops
	that's the init
	Mitchman: Hi. There will be a GUI version of REBOL, a slick scripting environment... but that's later. The kernel is first.
	1402
	It's 3am...why am I still up ?....:-)
	Ok echo, go ahead.
	it's the one you did for updating the alpha docs
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	Mitchman: You want dispatching based on multiple arity.... which means that you probably want to express that as a subgrammer.  So that's how I would do it... and how you would solve most problems.
	Womble will paste it as it won't echo to the other net if I do it
	Here's a handy script to keep your REBOL
	html docs up-to-date.  Only downloads docs
	that have changed:
	REBOL [
	    Title:   "Download New REBOL Docs"
	    Author:  "Carl Sassenrath"
	    Date:    16-Nov-1997
	    File:    %newdocs.r
	    Purpose: {
	        Download from the Web all REBOL HTML docs that are
	        newer than the ones in the current local directory
	        (replacing older local copies if necessary).
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	hehe :]
	grrr
	sigh
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	send it here and I'll put it on the web
	echo_TA made me do it!
	well it was a try
	Mitchman: How about everything overloading.  Relative expressions interpreted in given contexts.  + - * / can mean what you want.  Normally, when working in the "standard" contexts, they have given definitions.  But you can create any context you like.
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	Oops....It appears I've blundered into a conference....my apologies....:-)
	Notice from the example, that every REBOL can have a header, written in REBOL.  REBOL is it's own metalanguage.
	there y'go mitch
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	It's a script used to update rebol docs from the web page.
	This is great for writing scripts that go off into directories or ftp sites sniffing around for particular things.
	checks the version date and updates ONLY the changed docs
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	hiya alan
	we're echoing here
	already
	 Carl: Ok.. I'm led to believe that, say I sit down one day and say "I'm gonna write an email app" that if I decided to write this in REBOL as opposed to say, C, it would take less time, and compare favorably...  ?
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	didn't get that....the job aborted for some reason...
«Nick»	You are now known as Carl.
	though I was thinking www.rebol.com :)
	Sorry about that.
	We're back after a short "outage"
	no apology needed Carl.
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	Another example:
	carl : you should have used a rebol irc client ;ž
	Carl: Ok.. I'm led to believe that, say I sit down one day and say "I'm gonna write an email app" that if I decided to write this in REBOL as opposed to say, C, it would take less time, and compare favorably... what are your thoughts on this?
	pages: [http://www.rebol.com http://www.cucug.org http://www.cnet.com]
	Carl: Will it be a "buyable" package?  or 800 files to donwload on your site like with Linux right no??
	w
	foreach page pages [start: now   read page   print now - start]
	face the webcam a different direction please
	Any guess on what that does?
	prints all docs? :)
	no fair.. I know
	eh, pages
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	prints each page. when? right now!
	Joe: Yes! One of the first things I want to write is a non-IRC chat with archiving and threading built in... as well as other features, such as email query and reply.
	Such a thing would be... perhaps 15 pages of REBOL.
	Carl: how many applications did you get for the networking programmer job you a month or two ago?  I wonder since I received one mail and never heard anything else :)
	Carl: I know someone who has sucj a project in mind...
	15 pages...geezus....my C++ teacher would die of an heart attack :)
	Barron: Yes.  As an example, you can grab our alpha version of a client side email list handler by sending email to rebot@rebol.com with a subject line of "source".
	trying to do it in Java...
	later...
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	And, that won't add you to the list, just for looking at the source.
	Carl: I can dcc that to him if you want
*Llama*	Your safe, Mitchman just committed ot a new job
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	so what does that example do damnit?
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	beezo: the comments says
	IF anyone wants that rebot.r nad txt, I can dcc it.
	The answer to the example: tells you how long your access took to each of those pages.... something I use to evaluate different httpd servers for mirroring our REBOL site.
	GOD DANGIT! I HATE WINDOZE! I hate accidentally receiving files because you're typing when the request pops up
	ThaBarron: hahahahaha
	sorry
	echo: ok.
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	echo: I had already mailed the email.. oh well :)
	god knows where those files are "_
	:)
	Another proof that Amiga has all the reasons to rise again :)
	any announcemets from AInc yet?
	The REBOT example is for alpha.
	hehehe
	yes
	What platforms is Alpha on now?
	not sure if this has been asked....Is REBOL available for evaluation or otherwise playing with ?
	carl: when do you belive a amiga version will be out ?
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	The alpha runs on Amiga, Linux, BSD, Win32.
	Carl: "start: now" defines start, or is that the normal way to set a 'variable' too?
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	Merko: yes.  Both.
	Anyword: 
	names: ["bob" "rj" "dale" "sam"]
	date: 1/jan/98
	print date
	print names
	send bob@rebol.com names
	AIX?
	send ftp://ftp.rebol.com/names names
	here's a good one:
	do ftp://ftp.rebol.com/cool-script.r
	Can I get an alpha or must wait till beta?
	or... even,
	do http://www.rebol.com/cool-script.r
	Of course, that later example could also be an HTML file with REBOL embedded within it.... even without its knowledge.
	DO allows you to remotely execute a REBOL script
	What about "script: http://www.rebol.com/cool-script.r   [....] do script"  ?-)
	echo. yes.
	Merko: yes.
	Carl: Release Dates ?
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	Carl: Cool.. when will it get the script then, at the assign or at the execution?
	The alpha testing period is closed.... but beta will be starting up soon... over the next month.
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	Merko: at execution.
	Carl: Will it be packaged with the Amiga Bridge System ?
	Carl:Will link to download beta be on web when out?
*echo_TA*	btw, in case you didn't catch it.. I"m Dave Cook... been a while...
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	AI knows about REBOL... and are interested.  We'll have to see what the future holds... but no promises.
*echo_TA*	Glad you got George on the team... he's a very nice guy... and Asha too!
*echo_TA*	looking forward to the next wave!
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	Of course, the download of it will take about as much time as loading CNN or some other large web site.  We're shooting for a 150K compressed file for the kernel.
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	echo: George is great.
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	And... Asha is around here at the show... to join IRC later.
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	carl: Btw, what kernel would you personally like in the new amiga ?
	yes.. I'm waiting to say hi to her
	So what language is REBOL written in? Or did it start in?
	Carl: If you see Gary Peake, have it stand infront of the webcam and wave his arms
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	please
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	VideoTeck: Personally, I'd like to see a REBOL kernel.
	:) offcourse ;)
	Mitchman: Gary is an it? ;)
	we need a url / filepath for the webcam btw
	Barron: vanilla C.
	oops
	it=him
	Mitchman: Or is that what you wanted to check? ;D
	talk about aloaded question ;)
	echo_TA: www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
	Mitchman: Gary is sitting here at the IRC terminal.
	(Not on the webcam shot)
	If Asha can be found, have her stand in front of the cam and wave her ... erm ..
	arms.
	http://www.amiga.org/webcam/webcamimage.html
	have them point the camera at the IRC machine :)
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	Anyway, World Cup is about to start now
	wishing I'd bothered to get 3.1 so I could see this....
	Mitchman: As I glance around the room for the cam, I'm told it's in another room.
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	(across the hotel)
	Carl: ok. rebot@rebol.com with source in the subject didn't come up with anything
*	Jkay looks for denny atkin ...
[Vader]	its by the Amazing Computer stand judging by the images :)
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	hmmm
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	www.amiga.org
	webcam/cam.jpg
	any announcemets from AInc yet?
	in the filname path
	Carl: What is rebol.com web server? (Curios)...
	So.. can you rewrite REBOL in REBOL after it's well developed? :)
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	Mitchman: That email no routes through a few servers to our inhouse server, which will wakeup in about an hour and send you the source via email.
	Carl Did you do a file load and read example yet ?
	Barron: That's a great question..... it would be even easier, but introduces the old bootstrap problem.
	Carl: ok, thanks
	No one asked if there is a compiler. Whew!
	heh
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	is there a new compiler?
	Carl: is there a compiler? :)
	explain the bootstrap problem. I'm stupid :)
	Carl: is there? ;+) 
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	REBOL would be awesome with a compiler :)
	Mitch: ya
	looks you wanna force carl into infinite madness
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	Compiled to what ?
	hmm wher's Gary!! :+/
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	ML? :)
	a compiler and possibility to call native OS functions, and I would dump C :)
	Java Byte code ?
*	snapper ducks
	What may not have come across in this static mode of presentation is that REBOL builds REBOL apps.  It's highly dynamic.  What this means is that REBOL compilation occurs at run time.
	heh
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	The function defined earlier...
	so is it compilation or interpretation?
	del: func .... (etc)
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	or is there a difference? :)
	Runtime compiler
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	del: compile del
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	You've just created a compiled form of del.
	Carl: can you call native OS functions?
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	Mitch: In the 1.0, no.  The fourth main objective of REBOL is portability... so, extensions that limit portability will be in a later version.
	Is ANY part(s) of the current AMIGAs being CONSIDERED as PART of GW's new PC, named Amiga ?
	Perhaps 1.1 or 1.2.... because I really want that capability for controlling things around my house!
	Amirc: we're currently in a REBOL Q/A session. Save it for later
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	amirc: the power cable
	Carl: do you consider adding a common gui interface model, or somesuch, kindof like Java has with the base classes?
	Carl: I think even in a portable language, support for (optional?) platform dependant features and optimisations are in place..
	laire: hehe
	bbl
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	amirc:the 's' key.
	Carl: like I said, I'm stupid. Explain the bootstrap problem real quickly?
	Mitchman: Yes.  There will be a standard, cross-platform GUI... based on the same REBOL concepts, that will allow you to easily create a wide range of GUI look and feels.
	Carl: and will it be distributed as binary only?  I'd love to let it roam on my linux box
	you forgot to mention the 20 cent amiga nameplate ! hehe
	Carl OK, here's the biggie, how does a rebol developer protect his work from being borrowed by anyone.
	nah.. that'll be different :)
	Merko: With the REBOL header, these machine specific requirements can be called out. This allows a user to know about such things prior to downloading or running the script.
	Mitch: There will be a linux version.
	source distribution?
	or binary only?
	Carl: Is REBOL just for AMIGAs now ?
	So, to wrap it up.... the free version will be available for many platforms... but makes you wonder how we will stay in business, right?
	no. It's about cross-platform compatibility for one. Take a look at www.rebol.com
	11.07.98 13:43:23 Ping flood from 209.53.23.116 detected.
	There will be a professional version with special tracing, debugging, monitors, etc.... for commercial users.
	Cooksey ... behave or you'll get no desert.
	Carl: Making an Apache module should be fairly easy, and it would really be something
	Amirc: so complain elsewhere, doesn't do any good in channel
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	There will also be various other interesting tools for some fee.
	Mitch: Yes... and plug-in for netscape, etc.
	Is there a version of REBOL I could look at now ?
	   Carl OK, here's the biggie, how does a rebol developer protect his work from being
	  borrowed by anyone.
	REBOL will be available in Beta soon.  Our plan is to start wide testing in August... so you should be able to get a copy then.
	Carl: looking forward to that
	Thanks...I'll be looking forward to it...:-)
	someone aim the camera at something that's doing something.
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	or at Carl.
	or Asha!
	aim it at Asha
	Barron.... so far, the apps are all open source.  But, as text, they can be encrypted or compressed.
*	TheBarron is a little confused..
	Asha Asha Asha ...
	Carl: will you only focuse on REBOL, or you will deal with other things (AI projects...) ?
	sorta like PostScript's encrytion technique.
	??
	*: please, can someone give us the url of the camera?
	Carl: Careful there, "open source" is a registered trademark...
	www.amiga.org (server line)
	 /webcam/cam.jpg  (filename line)
	That about does it for now... I've got a session soon.
	Thanks Carl
	Signing off until later -Carl
[Vader]	thank you Carl
	Carl how bad is the rubber chicken ?
	se you carl
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	Later Carl
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	Thanks and good morning Carl...:-)
	Amirc: Your wife called you for dinner
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	Rubber chicken is getting better.
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	Carl Going to Ohio too ?
	have a good time Carl...
	I'll mail you in a week or so.
	also ;)
	TheBarron: Your wife said the Sears has back-ordered YOR 3rd brain cell.
	Carl is NOT going to ohio
	Amirc: too bad you haven't a clue
	"yor" ?
	Amirc: besides.. it's only my 2nd brain cell
	sure he is, he just doesn;t know it yet ;)
	jeeez
	amiwest: some session to come soon ?
	Jkay: If you put the "u" it proves you're a pedophile
	UGN is now giving a seminar on soem new and exciting things happening in the UGN. Their is a new database and they ask that all user groups re-enter their user group data.
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	oh, sorry.
	alright... anyone that wants to see some of the rebol stuff Carl was talking about... I have some of his alpha version scripts
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	I will DCC on request.
	ya, on request this time ;)
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	heh
	heh
	I didn't try a flood.
	that wasn';t me
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	Asha will be down in a moment.
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	I thought about it tho!
	oh right...
	hehehe
	I'll bet you did loser ;)
	that is a lovely beige table on cam .. for 10 minutes
	Kermit will be here shortly to demo and talk about Aladdin4D
	jkay: bah.. NS4.04 gets all confused
	Jkay: That cam is not here or with us. That is someone else's cam. 
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	ok.
	It's in the section of the hotel for sales and demos
	loser?
	hehehe
	btw, just the sample scripts... no one's getting rebol from me...
	TA I had something I wanted to talk to you about but I've forotten now ;(
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	I plan on getting the betas rsn
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	It's the NAZI pedophile CAM. The bigots are inflitrating our SYSTEM and putting their PROPAGANDA directly into our retinal SENSORS
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	TA: So what's up w/ god... is he gonna make it today?
	Carl has said the later this summer, he will make the beta available for download. 
	TA Oh I know, how about getting all these developers sorted out as to who's gonna build what apps for AmigaNG so we don;t get 8 ORC clients and no Word Processor
	TheBarron: You're not that Cooksey fellow, are you?
	AmiWest: Havemose isn't in the neighbourhood ?
	Womble: no, Cooksey is "Amirc"
	snapper: as if!
	Yea...I am taking over AmIRC
	You guys hate Amiga too much !
	Not as much as we hate you, I think
	PFFFT
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	actually we love it, and want it to advance...
	YOU!? Taking over AmIRC
	BWUHAHAHAHA
	snapper: we had an ICOA brainstorming session with Holger Kruse, Kermit Woodall and others about this very thing. Mainly we discussed how the standards would/should be written for the NG and that AI woul dbe responsible for maitaoining/enforcing those standards.
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	I think he meant the "nick"
	not stagnate and die in 68K hee
	hell
	oh
	hehehe
	Hate is YOUR #1 interest !
	brb
	Amirc I have 8 amigas, i guess I hate it 8 times more than you
	yeah.. hate rocks
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	cooksey: please try to behave. you were doing well. "shh"
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	Jkay: YOU cannot stand for NAZIs in the world, or else they will MELT your brain, and you WILL like it
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	Sodapop: Bill McEwen announced that Dr Havemose and Jeff Schindler had to attend an unscheduled thing with the chip maker which he will announce results of IF he gets a phone call from them before we leave here tomorrow.
	If we ALLOW this to happen, it WILL be too late very SOON
	Quick! go look at the web cam...it's taking some meaningful pictures of a television!
	AmiWest: pfft.. smoke screen..
	AmiWest: btw- who are you?
	TheBarron: no not become what you hate.
	TheBarron: Gary Peake - Team AMIGA and ICOA Press Officer
	okey :)
*	echo_TA is Dave Cook from Team*AMiGA (BeyondIRC guy)
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	Fleecy and Joe Torre are negotiating with one of the strategic partners.
	Jkay: Don't use your mind CONTROL techniques on me. I will not SUCCUMB to your suggestions
	AmiWest: Has there been any announcements made yet?
	TA well standards are all well and good, but if left to their own devices and things go as in the past, you end up with 8 of the same app usually net apps and no regualr productivity stuff like WP. Spreadsheet, DB etc.... I don;t think i can stomcak 8 half finished email apps aon AmigaNG as well ;(
	AmiWest:  who calls meetings on a weekend?
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	CMunk: yesrterday - that 7 or 10 top ten consumer electronic co's have contacted AI for an alternative of to M$...
	"You MUST fly out here Saturday!!" "We need two more people for golf"
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	snapper: Why is it that no one can write a decent wp for Amiga? You'd have thought that would be first..
	jkay: heh
	snapper: I agree.  Too much competition is bad for such a small market.  A little collusion between the developers wouldn't hurt.  :-)
	CMunk: Nothing hard or big from AI. We have announced that Olaf has prepared a new version of the developer CD with bug fixes to the code and RKM's. The RKM's are also in html on the new cd. AI has the cd and will be preppeing it for burning copies shortly.
	echo: said by whom?
	damn... the bot was down yesterday so I don't have a log.
	Dave Haynie has released some of his tech notes and works into th epd and that is now available at http://www.thule.no/haynie
	Gary?
	echo_TA: Oh really? For embedded use?
[Vader]	Bill IIRC
	TheBarron: We already have the best, so why not aim at an easier market? ;D
	I think it was Bilkl McEwen
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	The UGN booth lossed power.
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	hehehe Bilk
	Zinn: If you can tell me how that could possibly work in a million years, I'd like to hear it.
*	jon3T waves hello to everyone!
	Bill McEwen will be on channel at 6 PM PST.
	TA: All you really need to do probaby as a start is to have a bulletin board that posts who's working on what, alot of this duplicatio in the past is because people didnt know 5 otheres were workingont he same thing
	echo_ta:? I miised the question?
	NF: this channel? :)_
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*	Jkay stares at the happy beige table
*	laire has to negoate with one of his strategic partners....his cleaning women...to come more often
	who mentioned the 7 of 10 thing... it was McEwen wansn't it?
	Hmm not moderated?  Does anyone care that the UGN amiwest cam timestamp is 12 hours off?
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	TheBarron:  #amiwest98 methinks.
	Jkay: Just a little "Our co. is doing a big WP.  Maybe your co. should consider working on some other app."
	snapper: : When I get back from amiwest, we have agreed to get the icoa pages updated as far as working groups are concerned so that we can begin to organize that as you are saying.
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	12 hr off and focused on a very interesting scene (NOT)(
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	echo_ta: Yes, Bill McEwen used that as an example yesterday.
	Zinn: hehehe. I like that. Do you know what they would say? "Fuck You".
	Amiwest Great, put me down for a browser ;)
*	snapper ducks
	DFDuck: That isn't in our area to fix, the UGN cam is across the hotel.
	Jkay: It wouldn't have to be like that.  OTOH, if they wan to say "Fuck You" and both companies drive each other into the dirt, they can.
	Anyone interested by the name of the "MMC" ?
	echo_TA: The companies you mentioned, are we talking say Sony etc. for embedded use of AmigaOS?
	Gary: I hope god makes it there soon.
	Zinn: ok, Say the Voyager author (Olli) asks the Aweb and IBrowse authors to drop their product and do something else.
	CMunk: I was in and out yesterday... Gary (amiwest) can tell more. He was there
	what would you expect to happen
	Jkay: No, I'm not talking about products that already exist.  I mean NEW projects.
	AmiWest: any idea what computer/software they're using for the cam? I write an amiga web cam engine.
	Jkay: I think he means more along the lines of startup projects, not already in progress ones
[Vader]	JKay: all the ibrowse and AWeb users will go ape !
	Is Yvon bigger than Ollie ? ;)
	Jkay:yes, but they've already started their projects. I think he meant 'before'. y'know, a feasibility thing.
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	snapper: heh
	CMunk: There were no specific names mentioned by Bill McEwen on strategic partners.
	Venom says hi from amiwest!
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	hiya venom!
	DFDuck: Send me that puppy... I'll maje sure it gets into the right hands for shows
	Hi Venom, having a good time
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	AmiWest: And nothing new about AOS and PPC (p5, H&P)?
	Heya TheB and snapper and everyone else! :)
	Can someone give a rundown of news from the show?
<_ego>	Lorus: Still wouldn't work.  I mean programmers usually genuinely believe that their prog has something the competition doesn't
	but the way the Amiga developer's community works is this .. a programmer sitting in his bedroom decides that he doesnt like any of the  software availabel for his AMiga, so he starts to write one. Its NOT as if he has a choice of what he wants to
	write
	Venom spend all you money yet ? ;)
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	I mean browsers: we've got Voyager, AWeb, IBrowse, soon Opera and maybe Netscape.  How many browsers do you need?  Meanwhile, we don't have anything like Transparent Language.
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	heh
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	he doesnt have a suite of apps waiting in the wings for a production go-ahead
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	he wants to write something and he does
	Wish all of you could be here. :)
	MMc stands for "Marylin Monroe Chip".... or maybe "Mister Magoo Chip"....
	can anyone jion this chat
<_ego>	Zinn: Which is a pain in the ass.  But short of writing one there's not much you can do about it
	Good meeting from the UGN just now. :)
	As long as you stay within the bounds of good taste
*	taza doesn't NEED another BROWSER just PLUGINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
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	Screw NS/IE...
	Venom! Get in fornt of the web cam already
	taza: hiya :)
	taza: just make sure we aren't looking that way...
	it's been a beige table for 30 minutes
	Take it off.... take it all off
	err what about getting the companies together or is that a sin!
	jkay: I still get the TV here..
	Hi Venom... Having Fun...? :)
	no webcam in this room sorry. ;)
	What's happening with the WebCam? My browser's been reloading the same damaged file for 15 minutes now.
	JKay: The cam is on the other side of the hall and not in TA control
	Or is it my browser?
[Vader]	JKay: they lost power at the cam booth or something
	echo_TA: I wasnt blaming you
	taza: you bet it's awesome all these Amigans all over the place. ;)
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	I was telling her to get in front for the camera
	I know...
	it'd be hard to type from that side of the room tho/.
	;^)
	we dont want to read her, we want to see her :)
	is tekmage playing his song or was he summarily executed after the forst attempt
	CMunk: same here
	I guess I am manning the post until TA gets back. :)
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	AmiWest: And nothing new about AOS and PPC (p5, H&P)?
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	This is cool, I met vntnrse and his lovely wife last night. :)
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	venom: Still on their HONEYMOON, eh ?
	:)
	if there`s no news now prehaps the 3rd parties should make some
*	venom is going to go look around at all the deals, if I see a cam I will wave. :)
	bye everyone :)
	Did Vaporware go out of business ?
	webcam is dead?
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[Vader]	JKay: the breaker at the booth tripped and took the webcam down for a while
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<_ego>	Alas poor webcam I knew him well... ;)
	Amirc: See www.vapor.com for an explanation
	Amirc: No. I was going to show Vaporware but couldn't finance the trip.
	RIP....
	No news about Siamese PCI or BoXeR?  It seems like those should be RSN!
	Amirc: they hated Amiga
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*AmiWest*	?
	[Vader]: ok
	and were Nazi's, too
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<_ego>	TheBarron: Um, so who AREN'T Nazi's then? ;)
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	I suppose I`d better introduce myself
	TheBarron: wrong..Olli is a great guy..unlike smucks such as Phillip Law.
	I `m spence
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	ego: i'm not
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	APPARENTLY I am alone in my fight against the MADNESS. If I don't FIGHT for JUSTICE to prevail, the HOMO pedophile NAZIs will take over everything
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	Amirc: oh my god.. I think I'm having a heart attack. You just said something that makes sense.
	HELP!
	a seizure
	DFD: Verey Van Gogh... need to trim that ear a bit tho..
	;aso8y gn3
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	sheesh barron get alife :)
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	a flood?
	yeah.. eggdrop rox
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	echo_TA: Heheh
	Corinna says that Aladdin4D will not be doing ray tracing.
	Hold up guy`s can someone get me with the plot please
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	is there any news about the ppc ??
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	Stoney: PPC? Are you on crack? :)
	Stoney: No one here is talking about anything ppc
	stoney: other than it not being the way to go except for legacy machines.
	Aladding4D not ray tracing?  I thought that was what it's for.
	heh
	it ran away
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<_ego>	Zinn: 3D modelling, not quite the same.
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	bye
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	Amirc: what possessed you to actually like Olli? :)
	So you can model in 4D, then trace it with a different program?
	Aladdin4d uses splines then you extrue the splines to make your object.
	I think it is a rayshader
	"And now .. a man from Amiga Inc with 4 legs" ... "psst, he ran away" .. "oh bugger"
	"And now....and IRC'er with flat buttocks" ;)
	3D Modelling/Animation, a Lightwave Wanna-be... ;)
	Okay.. then, where can I get a PPC card with 060?
	"and" How the *** do I spell?!!
<_ego>	Zinn: In most cases you couldn't tell the difference between a picture done in 4D and a fully raytraced one by all account
	ego: Uh huh...
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	bye!
	Nova is working on options to export lightwave objects.
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	Bye Cooksey
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	someone nail cooksey? :)
	ping'ed out looks like...
	Barron: Your GF ?
	gee, that wouldn't be very nice now, would it
	or someone n00ked him
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	taza: uh.. what? I say..  someone nail cooksey? :)
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	as in, nuked, flooded, etc
	der
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	ups. quite small that cybervisionppc...
*	echo_TA was tempted to do a Kuang11 vote on him earlier...
	but that wouldn't be nice
	The hard drive in the demo computer just went down so Corinna is having to give her lecture without a demo up ... :(
	MiMe: Without passthrough?
	Jeez.. It's so nice to track an industry with no money.
	AcE: frank mariak confiremd it in the ml. _no_ passthrough
	amiwest: Need a backup machine....
	if it were a PC show, they'd pull out another demo machine :)
	amiwest: Surely there's ONE around ?
	taza: Yes, there are tons of amiga's at this one. They are gone to borrow one now.
	if the HD containing the demo died, another machine wouldn't help now, would it...??
	if it had a COPY of the demo, it sure would.. der :)
	big IF
	TheBarron: Would they really? Did Bill Gates do that live?
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	It's getting light....time to crawl back into my coffin....
	uh.. well, if they were _prepared_, it wouldn't be a big if
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	yup... a zip disk in the shirt pocket makes a big diff.
	Bill Gates wouldn't know how to plug it in
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	Coriina says that they are working on a new update to Aladdin4D. She has decided to come back later and give her semoinar while the computer is getting fixed. It is HOT here!
	seminar even ...
	You mean HOT figuratively, or literally?  Or both?
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	Zinn: seems almost 100 degrees.
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	would you guys like to talk to her if I can get her to stop by?
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	amiwestta: Have you seen Asha around there?
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	Zinn: yes, we all sat around in Carl S's room last night talking Rebol, AmigaNG, ICOA, standards, etc.
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	Sounds cool!  Wish I could have been there.
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	Carl had a nice little party and it was very informative listening to people like him talk about what HE sees for our future.
	yeah bring Asha on -she'll know all the errr "news"
	what was the jist on Photogenics-NG?  is there a release date yet?  I've been waiting since March for it
	Asha is attending a seminar at the moment.
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	How about that WebCruiser?
	beezo: Paul had to run to his next class. He will be back later for irc.
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	portnoy: officially cancelled
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	TheBarron: Their Java program too?
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*	TheBarron kicks Jkay
	WHAT
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	I was looking at CNN
	answer portnoy, I'm not getting paid :)
	Jkay: You have News on WebCrusier ?
	neither am i :)
	Yes I DO
	I already told you about FWC, hoser
	u do?
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	the only question remaining is about Java :)
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	TheBarron: There is a lot of Java talk here but nothing official.
	Web Cruiser and MOca have been cancelled after careful consideration of the market and our own resources.
	Webcruiser is nothing, I saw it, and it was'nt very good.  Aweb kicks it's ass, and the author even admits it
	so what is the news so far - any FAQ's?
	beezo: suck it monkey boy.
	amiwest: refering more specifically to Finale Dev
	I was at the St. Louis show, I should know.
	You don't know crap. You've proven that already
	But it's irrelevant, as Webcruiser isn't coming out
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	then why is it canlced??
	exactly, that's why I'm right
	Because I said so.
	More reasons than you'll ever know
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	we are going to take a short cigarette break before I have a nicotine fit ... back in ten or so ...
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	beezo: are you really that self-confidently moronic?
	ya'll can argue now ... :)
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<_ego1>	beezo: Do you seriously believe that programs are only canceled if they're crap??
*	Miggytoo says so what is the news so far - any FAQ's?
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	beezo: why aren't you at AmiWest? You got to drunk last night, didn't you? THOUGHT SO!
<_ego1>	beezo: And if you do, how d oyou explain all the crap programs that HAVE been released? :))
	Of course it was crap. Or they would have released it. Simple. But it may have been crap because it was unfinished. :)
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	_ego1: A->B doesn't imply B->A.
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<_ego1>	Merko: Doh! That was the point I was making!
	beezo: I'm going to warn you once to behave and watch with the threats in msg, then you'll be out.
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	_ego1: It was? How? Noone made a similar statement..
<_ego1>	Merko: Beezo was saying that Cruiser being canceled proved it was crap.
	my god the amiga is still down and taking a nine count and all you lot can do is argue - pull together and grow up
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	beezo is that lamer "tool" that disrupts all the confs.
	_ego1: Yes, and unless Finale are incompetent, I think he's right.
	Hey, does anybody besides me wonder if new Amigas will have an EASY programming language?
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	Something for folks who aren't C/C++/Java wizards!
	Merko: not all considerations are bugs :)
	miggy, I agree, they are just all a bunch of whinners
	Zinn: I take it you missed Carl's little talk
<_ego1>	Merko: There are several other very good reasons for not releasing a program.  Like there are 4 other browsers to compete with so they might lose money on production
	I love everyone, even if people do cancle programs cause they can't code.
	Echo_TA: What talk?  You mean about REBOL?
	keyboard full of paint
	Zinn: You can include ARexx to that list, too.
	Zinn: yup
	_ego1: What, duplication of bytes has suddenly become expensive?
	_ego1: Selling it through the web, without support, etc. costs virtually nothing.. so if they had a finished product, they would release it, no?
<_ego1>	Womble:  They would have to finish it and support it.  That costs
	Merko:  why are you talking about me as if Im not here?
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	I have no confidence in REBOL's ability to provide a friendly environment for beginners.
	Jkay: Oh.. it's you. Sorry. :)
	At least not anytime soon.
	Zinn: Everyone has to begin somewhere. But some lusers will never be able to think straight enough to program.
	Jkay: Well, I'm deducing that you wouldn't cancel it if it indeed was 100% finished. :)
	zinn, it really a pointless program right now
	Zinn: Want some example REBOL script?
	First of all, no one said they had a finished product. Secondly, even if they did have a finished product, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to release it if, for some unforeseen reason, they couldn't properly update/support it. And maybe, just maybe, there are considerations beyond the actual code itself, eh?
	So was there anything new announced today?
	zinn, EVERY program would NEED a small re-write in order for it to work with it
	TheBarron: It certainly *worked* over a year ago
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	I never said FWC was finished. We showed it at 3 or 4 Amiga conventions; the app ran between 3 and 8 times faster than current Amiga browsers AT those show in side-by-side comparision.
	I was a big fan of CanDo.  IMHO, we need something highly visual like that.
<_ego1>	Womble: And MDII "works" as well. Aint finished though
	Womble: I agree. I can't think in a structured enough fashion to code well. I take exception to that making me a luser, though :)
	CanDo was cool!
	jkay, say what?!?!  you are seriously smoking CRACK!!  NOTHING in the WORLD is faster than Aweb!!!
	Zinn: AmigaVISION '99 .... ;)
	_ego1: Talking of which.... are there some docs for MD2 yet?
	beezo: That is the dumbest statement I've ever heard.
	The fact of the matter is that we lost 2 or our FWC programmers, and with Voodoo and NewYork needing updating, we stopped the browser project and threw people onto the email and news apps
	No qualifications whatsoever
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	beezo: AWeb is great, although it sometimes crashes when reloading a frame
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	jkay, well ok, i dont care to argue anymore
	Asha!  Yay!
<_ego1>	Womble: Well if there are I haven't seen them.  There's been a lot of talk about a new version coming though
*	taza waves to Asha.... :)
	Hi Girl! Good to see you here
	Hi asha!
	beezo: at the shows, with a stopwatch, in front of MANY people FWC is 3x faster than AWeb at rendering tables and screens
	_ego1: It's not still at version 0.198 is it?
	beezo: it's a matter of record.
[Vader]	ego: Ollie is finishing V1 for Netconnect2 AFAIK
	So you gonna get PhotoGenNG, Asha ? :)
	where is asha?  please stand in front of the web cam!! I want to see what everyone is raving about!!
	Taza: Yup! Hi everyone!! :)
<_ego1>	Vader: I thought Netconnect 2 was out a couple of months back?
	Jkay: that's why he doesn't want to argue :)
	Where is the web cam?
	Did Paul mention a release date ?
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	asha: power losses hurt it
	Asha: On the other side of the room...
[Vader]	ego: LOL sometime in July is the latest date
<_ego1>	Womble: As far as I know thats the only version you can get unless you're one of his beta testers
	asha, supposedly it should be on you, as everyone says you are HOT
	same pic for half an hour :)
	what's the URL for the webcam pic?
	Jkay: How do you measure the speed, if it's quick? By underclocking the processor? ;D
<_ego1>	Vader: Must be all those CU ads confusing me. ;)
	http://www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
	TheBarron: power losses hurt what?
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	   the powerouts have damages the camera for the
	  webcam
	bwahahaahahahhaahahahahahaaha
	TheBarron: Ah....
	change 'damages' to 'damaged'
	ahhhh no!
	Merko: by loadign a HUGE table .. I forget the html source size
	Hiya Jkay !! :)
	no power surge protector i guess...
	Jkay: Aha.. made especially for the purpose?
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	Jkay: was it the rc5 table before it was broken down? :)
	Merko: oh, it was the RC5 member list .. all the people running RC5.
	yes it was
	heh
	AWeb rocked at loading that thing, too..
	Merko: no, it was the RC5 table, right off the site
	did u think it could be the site?
	kicked butt all over NS
<_ego1>	Vader: Say can this WebTV thing display pics without using datatypes? I could program something to do that myself :)
	Jkay: Alright. :)
	Asha: Did Paul mention a release date ?
	Ok.. no webcam for Asha.. so point us to an online pic :)
[Vader]	ego: not as far as i know
	yeah when is my copy of photogenics-ng coming?  ive been waiting since March!!
	Barron: There should be one on Aminet....
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	TheBarron: I don't know where there's a pic of me outside CSi
<_ego1>	Vader: Shame.  On my set up that makes it a bit slow and the pictures rather crap.  Why doesn't MUI allow HAM screenmodes??
	Barron: It's off a fidonet compilation disk....
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	I'd like to know if the Sacromento TV or the Sacromento Bee have shown up yet.
	Barron: pix/misc/ I believe...
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	Asha: so waht are ur impressions of Amiwest so far?
	turnout? news?
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	jon3T: I don't have any impressions yet, it's pretty busy out in the showroom, people seem to be having a good time (giggle)
	heeh goood :)
	Well darn. If I was more energetic I would pack up my webcam and hotfoot it down there. I'm only 85 miles north of Sacramento (no idea where Sacromento is...)
	Jkay: Gimme a break! :)
[Vader]	ego: hehe, thats true, never noticed that before :)
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	DFDuck: Where are you?
	Asha is more woman than Kiki will EVER be!
	Jkay: LOL
	I can get the Sacromento Bee here in Redding, and I'd like to know if the Bee will cover the show.
	asha: I'm out of Forest Ranch, east of Chico CA.
	DFDuck: So bring your webcam and come on down!
	Jkay: So when are YOU going to show up?
	asha: I was going to be there showing Vaporware.. but couldn't finance the trip. I'm just a poor boy living in the mountains.
	asha: Chris Aldi is representing us in the Finale booth
	Im not going.
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	DFD: can't afford the gas? :)
	Jkay: I almost got to chat with him but he was busy
	chris is the blonde haired guy right?
	busy? good :)
	no
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	Caldi has black hair
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	oh
	Jkay: Not crowded but talking to folks
	Barron: Gas I can afford. I don't drive so would have to pay someone to shuttle me.
	asha: shake him down for NewYork updates :)
	when meeting someone like caldi, I never know whether to call hiim by name or nick :)
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	DFD: uh.. how is it you don't drive? :)
*Michael*	Asha I thought that this channel was going to be moderated with just news - all these idiots keep arguing :(
	Jkay: My intention exactly
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>Michael<	Not right now...maybe later when there is some news
	Barron: Just don't. Havn't for years.
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*Michael*	oh what time will it all start happening?
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>Michael<	It started yesterday
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	Whats the news??
	Any??
	nope
	FWC/Mocha are dead.
	Yes ...
	:)
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	DFD: Why? It's not like you live in NYC or something.. How do you live like that? :)
	No real news 'til the banquet. Gary will be here after the banquet to report
	asha: what time?
	asha: You going ?
	when is the banquet?
	taza: Yup!
*Michael*	so is there any news from then?
	DonCorleo: all family buisness will be settled tonight
*beezo*	i heard you are very sexy
	beezo: 7:00pm PDT
*beezo*	is this true?
	hhehhehe Jkay :))
	jkay: hehe
*Michael*	or is the main things today?
>beezo<	Yup it's true
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	oh, and the other news is that Luca Brazzi sleeps with the fishes.
*beezo*	damn, I want to meet you
>beezo<	Gary can attest to that
*beezo*	I'm VERY hot also
	I'll make sure I bring Luca lol
	jkay: not sheep, eh?
	heheheh
>beezo<	I've already got two husbands...:)
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*beezo*	do you have a picture of yourself somewhere?
	I need to talk to Barzini
	:))
>beezo<	not here
	Okies Lates :)) PPL
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	I'm back
	sorry
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*beezo*	ok, well I'm the PERFECT third, and the ONLY hubby you'd want
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>Echo_TA<	Sweetie!! :)
*Echo_TA*	hehehe
>beezo<	give it a rest ok
*Echo_TA*	Darx is geeking on me again...
*Echo_TA*	not logging the echo...
*Echo_TA*	gotta look into it real quick
*beezo*	heheeh ok, i'm sorry honey
*beezo*	;)
*Echo_TA*	I grabbed from Amirc for the Carl log
*Echo_TA*	and Carl complemented George...
>Echo_TA<	Go fix it!  Send the logs to Kevin Hisel as well
*Echo_TA*	said 'George is GREAT'
*Echo_TA*	gotta clean 'em up a bit.
>Echo_TA<	George is great! :)
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*Echo_TA*	you're biased tho
*Echo_TA*	hehehe
>Echo_TA<	Of course! (giggle)
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*Womble*	Mrs Peake is after Gary, and is on BeyondIRC at the moment
*Michael*	I reallise your busy, is there anywhere where I can read whats go on so far?
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>Womble<	Gary says he'll call her
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*Womble*	OK
>Michael<	Nothing to tell you right now. Please be patient
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*Michael*	oh well I'll have to come back
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	So what's happening with all you guys?  Just hanging out waiting for news? (giggle)
[Vader]	not literally (ahem) :)
	asha: oh.. figured you had left :)
[Vader]	 Webcam is now running!
<_ego>	Vader: Yeah so you say, but I've heard about you. ;)
	cam is alive again!
	asha: we're just tired of bickering.. we'll get a second wind in a moment :)
	asha: we were just waiting for YOu to show up. Now we can all leave
	[Vader]: Good....
[Vader]	ego: ;^)
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	TheBarron: Where would I go?
	Jkay: pbbbffffffttttt!!
	uh.. the show? :)
	THat looks like Caldi
	Can anyone confirm/deny a "Java Kernel" rumour I read in the newsgroups this morning?
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	TheBarron: Oh yeah, the show...:)
	JavaOS kernel
	Yoshi2: What rumor was that?
	Yoshi: it's in consideration as one of the options along with everything else, if I understand correctly
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	TheBarron: Bickering is a drag...
	asha: A rumour by Luca Diana
	asha: depends.. I've been trying my best to get on Cooksey's Traitor page..
<_ego>	Say how often does the cam update?
*Echo_TA*	let me see if that fixed it.
	asha: oops... meant "posting"
*Echo_TA*	mixed case in UNIX...
*Echo_TA*	yuck
[Vader]	ego: 30 secs
	TheBarron: Why?
	cooksey is cool!!
	hehe
	The camera seems to be quite broken. It last updated 23:40 it appears. {o.o}
	beezo: good one! :)
*	CyborJim made it to Cooksey's Traitor page  ö)
	asha: you know of cooksey?
	Wizardess: It works now, except for the time
	Wizardess: I don't even know where the cam is... (just got here)
	Wizard: What's the url for the webcam?
	TheBarron: Yes, (sigh) I know who he is.
	Er, is it showing anything other than that one TV screen?
	http://www.amiga.org/webcam/webcamimage.html
	looks like it's near the ImageF/X's peoples booth..
	Wizardess: Yes
	the cam is BACK
	wiz: yeah
	http://www.amiga.org/webcam/webcamimage.html
	it's poitned at Holger's MIAMI booth
	trundles off to start webtv again....
	http://www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
	Jkay: I was just there! :)
	yeah.. that too
<_ego>	Yeah there's a great pic of someones glasses ;)
	get asha in front of it!!
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	wow nice stomach he has
	beezo: I'm in a completely different section of the hotel. Maybe later. :)
	oh nice shot
	hi
	(Carl is giving a talk on REBOL)
<_ego>	What is this? bellycam?? :))
	asha: we worked him over a bit ago
	drool
	TheBarron: That's what I hear... But I also heard y'all had fun.
	hi ike
	Ceiling Cam
<_ego>	What are they doing with it
	That's the UGN cam, nothing I can do about it 
	theres a nice pic now!
	Cam's aren't as easy as they look (giggle)
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*beezo*	i am dreaming of you
	wow! this show must be at least 500 square feet of display space!
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	Asha, what about this rumor we heard yesterday, "Amiga Inc HQ moves to Texas"?
	asha: Unless they are hooked up to PCs/MACs... ;)
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	You hear anything about it?
	Jkay: There are several different rooms.  We're across the pool from the main room.
<_ego>	asha: Surely it shouldn't be too hard to work out which end points which way?? (laugh)
	Who is there?
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	_ego: I've seen The Nose adjust cams, it's a very delicate process
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	Did AI announce something big
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	Yogi TheBerr: No
	Zinn: They are considering a move but where hasn't been decided yet.
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*Echo_TA*	say something ..
*Echo_TA*	let me see if this fixed oit
	asha: why move ? they are in great location's now, or what
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	There are a lot more people here than I expected. :)
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	VideoTeck: I don't know the details (sorry).  Maybe they don't like the weather?
>Echo_TA<	Is it working?
	It's because SD is a pit.
	asha: :) maybe
*Echo_TA*	hmmm
*Echo_TA*	still not logging properly
	Zinn: Actually, it's to be closer to future sources
<_ego>	VideoTeck: There has been talk (rumours really) that they couldn't get people to move to them.
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	Zinn: Nothing official has been decided yet
	They are moving the building to Korea?
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	Any comments about the IBM buyout rumour then?
	_ego: I don't think that has anything to do with it.
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	Merko: No comment
	ego_: so they move to the ppl ? AI the gypsys ;D
<_ego>	asha: Well I tend not to put too much trust in rumours :)
	oh this isnt good.
	Jkay: What isn't good?
<_ego>	VideoTeck: Just rumours. :)
*	ko is away :
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	There are rumors and then more rumors.  Until someone official says something it's just noise. :)
	Amiga Inc reps bailing on the show for some "emergency" .. IBM closing in with a secret buyout ..
	please no IBM im on one now which I just got back from repair (took 7months)
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	LostMan on cam .. WOW this isnt good.
*Echo_TA*	still tryinbg
	Jkay: They are NOT with IBM
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	not currently
	Jkay: What's wrong with Lostman on cam? (giggle)
	whee!
	Huh?  I thought IBM was buying the 68000 processor line from Motorola.
	everyone is indeed refusing to comment on this rumor, though :)
	Corinna scares me :)
	Corrinna on CAM
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	BarronThe: How can one comment on something that has no substance (facts)?
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	asha: by saying "No substance whatsoever"
	they haven't
	BarronThe: I'm saying that there is not substantive information.  Only rumors
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	I saw on the news whee IBM was selling it's PowerPC plants to Motorola and the employees there were shifting from IBM to Motolola as well.
	asha: I'm saying, they've been asked to comment, and rather than saying it's just not so, they make no comment. I'm not saying it IS so...
<_ego>	TheBarron: Even when they do deny rumours people don't believe them. ;)
	TheBarron: Bill McEwen and Gary talked about that and he'll tell you what they know later
	well well!
	CyborJim: I believe you mean the Somerset design center...
*	Jkay wonders what exactly is going on in this cam frame with corrinna
	CyborJim: But is it ALL the plants, or just this new joint IBM/Mot one?
	TheBarron: They probably don't want to dignify it with a response
	Womble: More likely :)
	the devil's in the details
	Trying to defuse rumors can be an exercise in futility
*	bloth has been marked as away for an idle time of 20mins Hawkee Pro v2.0
*Echo_TA*	still trying... back in a few
	According to the news story I saw even though IBM makes several servers with the PowerPC CPU they will otherwise get out of the PowerPC CPU business.
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	CyborJim: Seems everyone is dropping PPC
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	Except for Apple who have the multi-media enhanced PPC CPU.
	asha: No.. I'm trying to get a CSPPC second-hand, but can't find any.. so I'll have to get a new one.
	CyborJim: Bet they'll move to another chip as well.  PPC seems (Note: SEEMS) to be a dead end.
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	IBM will compete with Motorola to sell to Apple as well.
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<_ego>	asha: Apple are already laying the foundations for using other chips
	lostman on cam again
	_ego: Exactly my point
	asha, this makes since.  They sold alot of product on the "Appple is twice as fast as a Pentium PC" pitch.
	Jkay: Well at least he's interesting to look at :)
	and corrinna in the background
	CyborJim: Nice commercial :)
	this could be a disater
	Bodhi's running around there somewhere as well...
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	Jkay: No disaster here!
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	whew .. ok, looks like someone has captured corinna
<_ego>	Cybor Jim: Yeah but that advert only works so long as PPC STAYS faster.
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	_ego: Or until the NEXT chip they use is faster as well...
	ego: no, the adverts still work :)
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	_ego: Yes.  Tech advertising becomes obsolite very fast.
	Gary here for a few
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	With notible exceptions of the very well done Video Toaster demo tapes.
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*Echo_TA*	for some reason Darx isn't seening the echo...
*Echo_TA*	grrrr
	Anyone here use SPlayer ? (a GUI for Mpega and Play16)
	PPC will ALWAYs be faster because of the architecture of the cpu
	As far as the IBM rumor, Bill McEwen said that he read what we did and hasn't heard anything internally about it other than it is a rumor started on the stock market becuase Gateway looks like a good canbdidate to buy.
*Echo_TA*	hopefully War and Trolan can help get this working...
	yeah.. nothing will ever be faster than PPC
<_ego>	Drool: Yeah, been using it for a couple of years now
	-ego: I am the author :)
	asha: The stock market dictates a lot of business these days
	_ego: I am the author :)
	thebarron, haha yeah right
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<_ego>	beezo: Hmm.  Faster than what?  You didn't specify
	I noticed that there are NO Boing Balls here
<_ego>	Drool: Cool program :)
	what program?
	TheBarron: Other than the rumors started by Ziff davis and a stock portfolio company, ther eisn't any substance there.
	In May I was working agian on a story I'm trying to write.  In the year 2010 IBM had an Amiga compatable.  I think this will happen, but not this year.
	_ego: I will be starting on 2.0 this week. Will be MUI. Add CD-Player support, and some new features.
	Jkay: Petro sent me a packet of the raised boing stick on decals.
*Echo_TA*	is this private or is it going out on big screen?
	ta: well .. show them to the cam :)
>echo_ta<	it is private
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<_ego>	Drool: Sounds good.  Would be handy to have lots of different music formats from the one GUI.  Don't fancy throwing a GMPlay gui in too do you? ;)
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*Echo_TA*	here's a little from Mario
	_ego: Anything but mods :)
*Echo_TA*	*[X_MaN]* Ugh I dont think so at all
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	i dont think the new system will be sold as an "AMIGA"
>echo_ta<	Huh?
	it will be a new futuristic machine so Gateway can market it!
	beezo: They have already said they're keeping the AMIGA name
<_ego>	beezo: Does it matter?  A good computer is a good computer
*Echo_TA*	he thinks rebol is a ploy to get Carl a paycheck
*Echo_TA*	hahahahaha
<_ego>	They can call it Sid for all I care :)
	name only
	amiga forever...
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>echo_ta<	Rebol is free
	or Bob
	Amiga as brand?
	asha: Yes, but not every OEM will use it
	i like PUNA
*Echo_TA*	I know.
	How often is the cam updating?
*Echo_TA*	he thought it wasn't real...
	asha, they did say they are gonna keep the name, I didnt see that posted officially anywhere
	Womble: They will if that's written into the license
	DFDuck: Don't know
<_ego>	DFDuck: Every 30 seconds
	call the chips Moe Larry and Curly
	A..AMIGA -B- C.. Commodore -D- E..Escom -F- G..Gateway-H- I..IBM in 2010 :-)
*Echo_TA*	I said, 'what's this in my REBOL_ALpha directory that works so well?'
	I dont think they should use any name with the cursed "A" letter
	beezo: That was stated at WOA UK
	Amiga, Apple, Atari, Aptiva.........
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	I'm set at 2 minutes here.. my computer is slooow and can't download and display it much faster than that ¦(
	news from Amiwest abaut Kernel ?????
	Kyosuke_: Nothing yet
	call it after the people who made this technology available - call it the Teddison or Abell
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	summary of amiwest, please.
	Has there been any news at all?
>echo_ta<	Is the log working?
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	asha : sigh sigh, but AI said another mayor announcment during Amiwest ..NOTHING ???
	AcE:  "Feh"
*Echo_TA*	Can't get any response out of War or Trolan
*Echo_TA*	War has lucifer in the channel...
	Ginko: Olaf Bartell has completed a new edition of the Developer CD with bugfixes for the code and RKMs
	asha: v1.3?
*Echo_TA*	I'm scared to use AMiRC's logging, with 3 clients and scads of windows open
	Dave Haynie's stuff is up at www.thule.no/haynie
	asha: The thing released by german magazine "amiga plus"?
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	Yoshi2: He calls it 2.1
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	Who is Asha?
	asha: sure 2.1 not 1.2?
	Kyosuke_: There will most likely be announcements tonight at the banquet
	DrFraggle: Yes, 2.1 not 1.2 Thought Amiga Inc might call it something else
	asha: Are changes that big?
	Yoshi2: Yes
	Asha Develder is the Queen of the Amiga Community.
	What time's the Banquet
	asha: dont make promiss you cant keep ;) P5 know that
	Yoshi2: Completely bugfixed and RKM is completely bugfixed as well
	asha i hope :)
	pic is jacking up again.. stuck for anyone else?
	but do it anyhow
	Jkay: Actually, we decided that Empress was a better title
	Jkay: Why?
	it's stuck here too
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	The banquet is 7:00pm PDT
	AcE:  becasue she's been in it and about it since it began. Have you never used the FidoNet
<_ego>	asha:  What, not Goddess? ;)
	_ego: Naw.....(giggle)
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	_ego: Too much distance there :)
	Amiwest 98 Butt 'n Crouch cam...
	Jkay: I used the FidoNet long time ago, but i prefered german boards. ;)
*Echo_TA*	Asha: Is that still you?
*Echo_TA*	or Gary again?
	Gotcha
>echo_ta<	Yup, it's me
*Echo_TA*	What's George's job at REBOL...
*Echo_TA*	Mario doesn't seem to believe in it.
	Well Asha has been on Fidonet running the amiga areas since before "a long time ago" :)
>echo_ta<	Ask Carl... I'm under NDA (giggle)
	Jkay: Forever!!
*Echo_TA*	on his job title?
*Echo_TA*	hahahaha
	asha: have you seen Denny there?
>echo_ta<	I don't know if he has a title (silly me)
	he said he might attend
	Jkay: Thanx. asha: hello :)
	Jkay: Don't know..
	<- Been running Amiga areas on BIX since forever - glad to meet you Asha.
	AcE: :)
*Echo_TA*	programmer, administrator, gopher?
	Denny Atkin lives in Walnut Creek for .. hm .. 2 or 3 years now
>Wizardess<	Didn't recognize your handle there! :)
>Echo_TA<	Programmer of course!
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	WHOA
	Joanne?!
	Jkay: I thought he moved?
	he moved *to* walnut creek
	from NC
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	Jkay: Shows what *I* know!
	<- Joanne Dow == The Wizardess
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	jkay: kill that stoopid bot...
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	humm :)
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	hehe
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	thats about enough
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	jkaywell
	Jkay: You should be ok now 
	they have been kicking people randomly for 2 days
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	What did Bill say?
	Who let TA get their own channel, anyway? :)
*Echo_TA*	Laura is on...
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	it was a surprise
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	TheBarron: Excuse me?
	jkay: ah. they suck at it, I must say
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*Echo_TA*	nick: Jaguar
	thats one of the annoying "features" of eggdrop  ¦)
	asha: TA doesn't know how to handle a channel..
	TheBarron: That's one person's opinion
	Hey there. Just joined (from the UK). Any news on the new chip?
	wurzel: Not yet
	asha: I'm not here to argue, just an observation.. ask RMer :)
	Hi to all
	TheBarron: play nice.
	asha: ok. let me rephrase.. the bots SUCK :)
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	asha. Thankyou.
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	TheBarron: How 'bout the bots are having problems (more accurate)
	Jkay: heh.. and while Carl may not like moderated (someone said), we needed at least a little control during that session
	Any other news?
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	TheBarron: they can do as they like. if they ask for help, they'll get it.
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	wurzel: Updated Developer CD and RKM
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	jkay: of course
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	asha: So they got the okay to finaly ship the CUCD with the Amigaguide versions of the RKMs?  'bout bloody time.
	so anyway, as I was asking as I was booted multiple times .. Wizardess was Joanne?
	I'm just complaining because I'd have figured they would've thought about it ahead of time :)
	pOS will discontinue!?
	Errr... DevCD
	asha: Ah, no good for me then. I'm not a developer :(
	Jkay: Yes
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	asha: can u mak a summary of all news ?
	TheBarron: It is often difficult to think of everything beforehand especially if you don't have access to the physical space early.
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	Presi-: There isn't much news yet, most will be announced at the banquet tonight.  Mostly developer support news
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	asha: Sure. I apologize. If you knew me a little better, you'd know I just rant.. I didn't mean it in some sort of Cooksey conspiracy manner :)
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	asha : ok tx :: i'll wait here !!!
	I just thought they could've made better decisions where they DID
	or just asked for help :)
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	TheBarron: As could we all from time to time.  Understanding is a really good place to be.:)
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	TheBarron: Since you're not here and don't know whether they asked for help etc., perhaps you're not in a good place to comment? 
«Whois»	User: TheBarron (bmonroe@ip188.tulsa4.ok.pub-ip.psi.net): www.netforard.com/cryogen/?barron
«Whois»	Channels: #amiwestta #amiga
«Whois»	Server: whiterose.us.amiganet.org (Whiterose AmigaNet server)
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	asha: help from AmigaNet is what I meant
	Gary asked
	TheBarron: Same comment applies no?
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	http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0629/01eoem.html M$ SUXXX
	RMer: I thought you said they didn't :)
	TheBarron: I didn't even said a word sinec I re-joined.
	not this time, hoser :)
	nevermind.. it's not like I care anyway :)
*	TheBarron plays the politics game
	Gary asked Mitch and I to help with the confs.
	wow you guys have done a great job here
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*	asha stays out of politics as  much as possible
	Jkay: then where were you, man? ;)
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	hehe
	nice
	very nice
	GROWL
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>Echo_TA<	What's with the bot kicking people?
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<_ego>	Does that thing decide a flood purely by number of lines sent?
*Echo_TA*	where?
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	lines sent i guess
*Echo_TA*	amiganet or beyond?
>Echo_TA<	See above.... And Jkay had some problems as well...
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	it may have been the speed of which I spent two subsequent lines
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	.
	.
	or not
	they are de-opd
>Echo_TA<	Hmmm.... I don't know...
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*Echo_TA*	it's THERE.
	oh.. I was inthe other window :)
*Echo_TA*	not beyond.
*Echo_TA*	it's an eggy
*Echo_TA*	very flood sensitive
>Echo_TA<	What's an eggy?
*Echo_TA*	eggdrop bot
	Probably because of lag.
	last time it happened, I had a 1 sec ping to them
>Echo_TA<	Can someone fix it?
*Echo_TA*	They just deopped it, I think
>Echo_TA<	That ought to work. :)
	In how many hours is the banquest tonight (in the UK, it's already night ;-)
<_ego>	There's something strangely hypnotic about that webcam.  Its not like its showing anything THAT interesting, but I keep looking anyway. :)
	ego: voyeur :)
*Echo_TA*	we need god and HIS webcam..
*Echo_TA*	or Alan's
<_ego>	Locutus: Yeah so? :))
	Six hours 'til the banquet
*Echo_TA*	I'd like to see more than UGN's idea of scenes
*Echo_TA*	we need to see YOU!
*Echo_TA*	much prettier to look at
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	who is the speaker now?
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	at the banquet
	I'm going to walk over to the cam and wave at everyone. OK? :)
	Jkay: Carl
	asha: Thanks, you've been most kind. Guess I'll have to check in tomorrow.
<_ego>	Locutus: But lets face it, if thats the case there ae many more interesting addresses in WebTV for me :))
	Be right back.
<_ego>	asha: Cool
	what is the url for the webCam?
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«Nick»	You are now known as TA.
	http://www.amiga.org/webcam/
*Echo_TA*	ooops
*Echo_TA*	I take that last line back
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*Echo_TA*	hahahah
	_ego: You think that cam is boring. I run a cam and its just me sitting looking at my computer all day. Now "thats" boring ¦>
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*	DrFraggle puts in his "back for the future"-cd...
	lostman is never boring
	see?
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	he has a pair of Amiga sunglasses on
	DrFraggle: Cool. I just saw that movie last night :)
<_ego>	DFDuck: Yes, you're right it is.  Why do you do it? ;))
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	Amiga has made a movie? ;)
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	_ego: Because I write the webcam engine and its the only way I can test it.
<_ego>	DFDuck: How boringly reasonable ;-))
	yeah
	you suck
*	NEO have missed it all! =( What's the news! Plz tell me! =)
	We have a gentleman here who is outside council to Cybertrackers. They are trying to clean up some of the web sites who take pics of stars have them altered then post them. 
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	_ego: Reasonably boring, yes. The first 6 days I ran it on my localhost web server (that I also write myself) and got over 1000 hits. Gack
«Nick»	You are now known as CyberTrac.
	What's ASHA!?
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	"What" might not be the right word ;)
	Seems to be a long way to the cam...
	DFDuck: enforcer hits?!
[Vader]	lol
	I want to have a "Paint Drying Cam". Ofcourse each week it will be different colour
	RMerlin: What is it then!?
<_ego>	DFDuck: Which just goes to prove what a bunch of sad geeks internet users are.  Apart from me of course ;)
	NEO: A human being
	Something thta walks on two legs
*	ko is away :
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	Made of living cells
	RMerlin: ROTFL... Oki... What's so gr8 about him then? =)
	Comes in various shapes and colors
	He`s a her
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	God damn...
	That one is a female specimen
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	Oki... What's so gr8 about HER then? =)
	Meaning she can bread
	Locutus: No.. but I did crash a number of times, so I moved it to a remote web site. My little peanut whistle couldn't handle that much traffic.
	RMerlin: I'm worried now. None of that desrcibes me
	Quick question from a newbie - I thought AmIRC was supposed to "TAB" through names? Mine isn't.
	Drool: Shit happens. :)
	:)
	DFDuck: say... what kind of internet connection do you have? peanuts? :)
	Hello!!!!!
	My name is Mitchell Kamarck, an intellectual property attorney at Rosenfeld, Meyer & Susman in Beverly Hills, California.  As outside counsel of Cubertrackers, I am responsible for handling the litigation for Cybertrackers' clients; the most noteworthy being Alyssa Milano.  The principle purpose of Cubertrackers is to police how a celebrity's image is used on the web and intervene as necessary.
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	Locutus: A slow machine and a slow net connection. I live waaay out in the woods and make my own electricity.
	Hey hey.,.,. Have anything happened at the SHOW!?
	The PPc can be a REAL standard?
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	...how often does the WebCam get updated?
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	30 secs
	Every 30 seconds I'm told.
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	CuberTrackers?
	DFDuck: do you bottle it yourself too? :)
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	utoh.. something happened to the cam
	oi piru =)
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	chan-flood trip limit in amippc fixed !!
	If you wish to learn more about cybertrackers, please visit its website at cyber-trackers.com.  Additionally, to learn more about intellectual property issues that relate to the web, visit my firms site (and my page) at rmslaw.com.
	JKay: They prefer round objects over square ones
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	TheBarron:  great stuff
	CyberTrac: what are you doing at an amiga show?
*	NEO wonder what's goin' on here!?! Thought this channel was dedicated to the AmiWest show and not some WeBcam tech support or AmiRC help channel!?!? Any1 who can tell me about the god damn show!?
	Locutus: Bwahahah. No.. just bottle my own beer.
	as well as the other limits, they all was in 0:0 ;)
<_ego>	NEO: The webcam is AT the show
	If Alyssa didnt want her image to be on the INternet, she shouldnt have done all of those soft porn movies after her boob job.
	NEO: no news, someone said perhaps after the banquet
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	_ego: Who cares... It dosn't tell me about the future.. Just shows me some REALLY ugley faces! =)
	I was asked to attend the Amiga show in order to discuss Cybertrackers work as many members have expressed an interest in Cybertracker's work.
	DrF: When is the banquet?
	DrFraggle: Oki.. Thnx! =) When, in how many hours, are that? =)
	Many members?
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<_ego>	NEO: Yeah well we can't tell you what we haven't been told.  NO AInc annoucements. Now let us get back to having fun
	thebarron: the limits are now 40 inputs in 10 sek. Anoughf ?
	hmm .. is the cam stalled?
	Asha asks, "Did you see me wave at you?"
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	Mawrick: Definitely when i lie in my bed and sleep :)
	video: what was it before?
	_ego: Oki... =) Thnx =)
	well i`v been here for over 4hours and nothing realy werth staying online for so far
	TRue: The show is full of negitivity!
	MrPOP: its 9am here.. :)
	tell asha the cam is stuck
	Dr: Is it tonight???...:)
	thabarron: it was 0 input in 0 sek ;D
	nope
	thebarron: like a rushian rulett :)
*	NEO wonder if any1 usin' Executive... =)
	Who's been interviewed today?
«Nick»	You are now known as Asha.
	they recycled carl s
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	fibbs: At the moment Carl Sassenrath is talking
	video: wouldn't that just set it at a default?
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	re asha. the cam is stuck :/
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	asha: never saw you..
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	Jkay: Sorry, wish I could fix it
	CARL? where?
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*	Asha is SO hot (temp wise)
	Could anyone please tell me when an eventually anouncement will be made in CET???
	who have the site of the cam?
	Amicus: Right over there ----->
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	thebarron: the problem was that this isn't the base channel in the eggrop but a new one. you have to set your own settings there, they dont get default as in the base channel
	Amicus: UGN
	Asha, you break the cam?
	;)
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	al^Thor: Not me!
	someone using the nick "AmiWest" set me this text .. "I need you man!" .. then nothing else. like 5 minutes ago.
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	CyberTrac: So what type of "usage" are you looking for?
	Video: ok..
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	he gets paid to view porn :)
[Vader]	JKay: AmiWest (tekmage@sac15-99.calweb.com) has signed off (Ping timeout for AmiWest[sac15-99.calweb.com]). on AMIWEST98
	bingo
	yeah, I know who the account belongs to :)
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	but I cant think of why he would send that
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	cybertrac: http://www.cyber-trackers.com/ (and no www) Host not found (authoritative)
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	Barron here we must speak of Amiga :-)
[Vader]	Jkay: i was more trying to say he wasn't online thats why you haven't heard from him :)
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	So he is looking for the fake celebrity porn, or real porn being used illegally?
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	he is looking for porn in general.
	fake celebrity pics
	Arent we all
	scuz: i know i am ;)
	I would think the latter
	I should register Miami one of these days
	How is speaking now?
	Ahhhhh....
	We track various uses of the celebrity's name or image.  For instance, many sites will employ a celebrity's name in the metatags or in spamdexes to attract users to a site simply to create impressions.  For instance, there is a punk rock band in New Jersey who used Alyssa Milano's name in theri tags; why, I'm not real
	ly certain.  This is discussed in greater detail in my recent article "Empowering Celebrity's In Cyberspace" available at my website: rmslaw.com and Cybertracker's website: cyber-trackers.com.
«Nick»	You are now known as Asha.
	Amicus: Are you Redwood Empire Dave S. ?
	How exactly is that illegal?
	"Celebrity Deathmatch"
	We are being Solicited to death
	Where is Holger? :)
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	Amicus: He's sitting at his booth last time I looked
	DFDuck: noooo, i'm italian :)
	anyone know when the banquet is going to be in CET???
	Hey.. if everyone else is soliticiting, why not me? :)
	Amicus: I seem to take forever for mail regs
	aaaand amires fixed, no more problems should happen !
<_ego>	TheBarron: The celebs names are probably trademarks or something :)
	Mawrick: 5 hours
	CT: I have a similar prob with my site - no stars though
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	VT: Ok
	ego: I hardly see how that is possible
	I'm going to buy a PPC card :)
	ok, thanks!!
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	Cybertrac: How was your job affected by the Playboy -vs- ex centerfold case?
	Amicus: Ok, thanks. Was curios. The originator of the REAUG used the handle Amicus.
	CYbertrac: Alyssa Milano is Copyright ?
	ego: I guess you're screwed if your mom names you the same as a celeb, eh?
	Amicus: Why?
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<_ego>	TheBarron: Well I know that their likenesses are often trademarked thus comics etc can't use them without a license
	Eric-75: Essentially it's a trademark
	What is REAUG?
	It also gets into libel and a number of other areas...
	To play with quake an arteffect :)
	I have Gary fanning me (it's so hot here!) (giggle)
	hm btw anyone overclocked their ppc ? if you have / know someone who has, msg me:)
	Amicaus: It is one of the users groups sponsering AmiWest. From Santa Rosa California.
	ah
	Asha: Tell Gary to stand in front of the bloody webcam! And to fix it!
	I have this nick since '96 !
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«Nick»	You are now known as cybertrac.
	It is supposed to be Salutations not Solicitations :)
*	TheBarron assumes CyberTrac has been following along
<_bladez_>	are the conferences happening here ?
	Asha: hehe
	Cybertrac: How was your job affected by the Playboy -vs- ex centerfold case?
	bladez: we had Carl earlier
	Amicaus: He started the group in (if I remember correctly.. I was at the first metting) mid '86.
	TheBarron: cool! got a log?
	haaah :))))
	CT: I have a similar prob with my site - no stars though
	Womble: also it's not possible to get the name "Alyssa Milano" at my female dog , and a picture of my dog on the web ? :-)
	uh.. no.. could probably make one, but I crashed..
	TheBarron: Had we??
	We use a number of legal theories to protect the celebrity's image including trademark, copyright and the right of publicity.
	someone let someone ELSE know that the cam has been stalled for an half hour
	maybe that was mid '87. My teflon® brain I don't remember.
<_bladez_>	TB: what did he say ... i was away watching the football :(
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<_bladez_>	Croatia got third place ... woooohoooo !!!! =)
	Anyone got a log of Carl?
	he said "REBOL is great"
	heh
	TRue? :)
<_ego>	eric-75: If you weren't doing it for commercial gain I doubt there would be a problem.
<_bladez_>	tb: lol
	What is the location and name of the Webcam? I'm using WebTV (just downloaded from Aminet)
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	note: dont point the webcam at CyberTrac .. he'll sue us :)
<_bladez_>	tb: and that it will the next OS kernal for the amiga =]
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	_bladez_: Don't call him TB... that's Wayne Martin...!
	_bladez_: You'll confuse everyone
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<_bladez_>	womble: ok
	wurzel: Server: www.amiga.org  Filename: /webcam/cam.jpg
<_bladez_>	theb then :)
	there ya go
	I lost "TB" when that hoser started loging on :)
	Actually, we are less interested in suing and more interested in educating sites regarding intellectual property issues.
	loging
	I'm screwed today :)
	cybertrac: What's this got to do with the Amiga?
	TheB: You sukz! ;)
	Womble: Nothing... ;)
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	cybertrac: and if it's being used, but not for financial gain? Just the name, that is.. say in a metatag
	you suck
	KarlosI: Watch it
«Nick»	You are now known as Asha.
	Karlos: nice avoidance there :)
	hehhee
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	Asha: watch what?
	cybertrac: no.. he was indeed careful :)
	Womble: But if YOU ever become FAMOUS you can call them... :)
	DFDuck: Thanks, got it now :)
	Womble: The user groups asked that CyberTrax come
<_ego>	Womble: Well Amiga's are computers and they are used to create websites (well you asked ;)
	KarlosI: Your language. :)
*	KarlosI watches Asha strip!!
	I think she meant Womble
	_ego: That's a little tenuous...
	taza: Pardon?
	oh
	Asha: It's a common thing between me and thebarron!! ;)
	asha: To talk about this? Hmm...
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	we're sensoring 'you suck'?
	Womble: Then they can track down sites with YOUR name on them... :)
	taza: What's that to do with the Amiga?
	Barron: NO, we already KNOW you do... ;)
	Yeah.. if anyone uses my name, I'm suing!!!!
	err... censoring
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«Nick»	KarlosI is now known as TheBarrin.
	C'mon folks....there are a lot better places for that kind of stuff than here...
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	Asha: Okie...I'll behave, just for you!! ;)
«Nick»	TheBarrin is now known as KarlosI.
	TheBarrin: How bout changing your nick to something I can tab easier
	Asha: Speaking of better places, seen anything else interesting ?
<_bladez_>	darn the web cam is dead again :/
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	re Elfe
	taza: Like what?
	Asha, just call him Bar or something.
	Asha: Miami Deluxe Demo ? :)
*al^Thor*	I wish I worked for a company like that...FedEx isn't all that interesting...
	T-Rex: wrong person
	T-Rex: that was Karlos :)
	Zimba: re?
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«Quit»	Drool (SPlayer@ppp21.a1.du.execulink.com) has signed off (Argh!).
	yeah, is holger there?
«OP»	AmiPPC gives channel operator status to Echo_TA
	If you're gonna call _me_ something other than TheBarron, TheB works nicely :)
	BArron: eh?
	taza: Don't know if there's a demo, but I paid for my upgrade.
	re all
	Holger is here (sitting at his booth last time I looked)
	trex: nevermind :)
	Asha: Yes, but he mentioned on his web page that he was planning to show off a DEMO of Miami Deluxe...
	TheBarron: hehe
	Asha:
	TheBarron: Easier to just type the first few letters and hit tab :)
*	Asha is lazy
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	all: new libs for p5 accellerator cards se the ftp server
	whats the point of miami deluxe?
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	asha: no.. I understood the difficulty :)
	Locutus?
	any idea regarding why the cam is down for so long this time?
	beezo: It's basically an AMiga Server
	redteo: The libraries of the day?
	Asha.. thanks. I'm a newbie..
	Jkay: I'm too far away to know what the problem is
	d9090: u in here?
«Netsplit»	Netsplit detected between servers thule.no.amiganet.org and linux.us.amiganet.org.
	d9090: Any problems just ask. :)
«Netsplit»	Users gone due to netsplit: rewdl AAlleyAwa HMetal froilan CyborJim RMerlin
	I thought much of the point was being able to run multiple stacks
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<_bladez_>	oooopppppsssss
	multiple interfaces
	woble . 060 44.4 ppc 46.18
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<_bladez_>	thebarron: it would be wicked being able to run multiple stacks :)
	sadams.. ya..das be me..  guess some of those non-AmigaNet connections were bogus.
	oooh netsplits....weeeeee
	if u want to run multiple, then run amitcp
	and has he ficed lan access yet?
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	it handles multi stacks and multi protocols
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	Someone asked me about REBOL. Just waking up and missed it. Anyway, there are those who know more about it than I. I'm not an Alpha tester.
	d9090: yeah, who knew!
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	amitcp: sukz compare to miami
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	any news today??
	is there a web page with scripts of what have been said in this channel during conferences?
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	d9090: this methinks is too fat!
	karlos, why cause you are to dumb to configure it?
	Rag: If my bot would log right, yes
	rag, there is nothing you missed really
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	I'm about to bring it over here...
	beezo: ever considered wording a comment without insulting someone/thing? :)
	rileu: new libs for p5 accellerator cards
	sadams.. pretty busy.. isn
	oki...
	hi everybody
	tb, never, thats ALL I ever hear about amitcp
<_ego>	TheBarron: It would ruin his "tosser" image :)
	Asha?
	beezo: I sitck the KISS formula...thank you!!!!
	't thi the moderated one?
	who is Asha? :)
	redteo: now available?
	so the phone hasn't rung then? :)
	A female specimen of the human race
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	beezo: I stick to the KISS formula...thank you!!!!
	RMerlin: uh.. ok
	Rag: no .(
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	rmer: heh.. problems with repeating? :)
	karlos, sure whatever that is supposed to mean
	Winter0: I am (giggle)
	Why waste time on fonifiguring a application when you don't have to?
	RMerlin .. speciwoman? :-)
	hi Asha
[Vader]	JKay: AmiWest is back on #AMIWEST98 if you want to ask him what he wanted :^)
*Winter0*	wow.  they like you enough to have you as the topic, eh? :)
	sadams: HI!
	beezo: you don't know the the kiss formula?
	I'm logging this in amirc. And have a slick little rexx script that converts ugly amirc logs to readable html (also readable in text viewer). If anyone wants it...
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	Asha is an original member of the Amiga community, a member of Team Amiga and a Force of Nature on the Fidonet Amiga areas
<_ego>	Karlosl: Well some of us sad people actually do it for fun ;)
	hi Darxide
>Winter0<	I'm a bit popular. :)
	ooop
*Winter0*	i guess so. :)
	wierd
	Asha: havin' fun yet?
	Jkay: Thank you (*giggle*)
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	I thought that nick was already taken...
	dfduck, oh but with rebol u can do  that in 2 lines, or so its made out to sound
	sadams: Yup
	ego: your welcome but having to it still sukz for me!!
	and that I had changed ot
	I think REBOL is nothing more than another script language that is simplified
«Nick»	Echo_TA is now known as Dave_C.
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	How rude, Romaz just left without saying *anything* to us!
	beezo: I don't have REBOL. So I use arexx.
	and who the hell wants to memorize another 1,000 commands
	beezo: Obviously you don't know whereof you speak
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<_ego>	Karlosl: I generally agree with you
	beezo: maybe.. but do you know that? don't think so
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*Winter0*	you realize you're probably the ONLY female on amiganet IRC? :)  (you *are* female, yes?)
	Ugh
<_bladez_>	closeup of someone on the web cam :)
	hehe dancerc in here to ;)
	The bot isn't properly configured
	does anyone know the address of the webcam?
	the guy in front of the cam with the vandyke looks familliar .. who is he?
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	Dave_C: Bring Gary back a m inute
	beezo: you need to do more research then.
	Who brings these bots in here? :)
>Winter0<	Yes I am female and I doubt I'm the only one
	not me
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	I will bet all of you one million dollars that REBOL goes no where
	How rude, AmiPPC just left without saying *anything* to us!
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	How rude, Amires just left without saying *anything* to us!
	unfortunately
<_ego>	Asha: You've only just worked that out? ;)
	beezo: before you criticize something wait until you've actually seen it and used it!! :+/
	WebCam seems to work, again...
	www.amiga.org/webcam
	but mine went out, yeah i have a great shell ;D
	kick it out or turn of talk mode
	I WANT it to do good, but with M$ in the way, no one can compete!!
	thx
*Winter0*	i don't know about that. :)
	hmmm
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«Nick»	You are now known as TA.
	TA: Check the 'set" flags
	Gary
>RMerlin<	what's up?
	TA: Or give me access so I can set them
	The WebCam seems to be fixed, again
«OP»	TA gives channel operator status to RMerlin
*RMerlin*	Bot has auto-greet on leave enabled
	TA: Access on the bot I meant
	Yrag: no their doing that now
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	How rude, Ginko just left without saying *anything* to us!
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	How rude, poing just left without saying *anything* to us!
	darx nick Darx_TA
«Nick»	Darx1de is now known as Darx_TA.
	humm if mine was not setup, dancers without setup is hell
	uhm
	Darx_TA:  turn off that script :(
	Video: heh
*Winter0*	Female computer fans are a bit rare...  then, take the number of female computer geeks who are Amigans!  :)  (i'm a minority, too.  i'm only 19, and i'm a goth [among other things])
	Darx is a bot
	I'm just here to LOG... Do Not op me please
	re
	Video: just friendly ;)
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	thebarron: yeye ;)
	hey, AmigaMMC
	:)
	darx shutup
	Ok Dave_C, I'll shut up now
	TA: take it out of channel until it's configed? :)
	Hello!
«Topic»	TA sets topic to Chris Aldi on Finale
	Did Sun call Ai, yet?  ;-)
	Hmm going moderated are w!!
>dave_c<	can you fix the bot?
*RMerlin*	Give me 200 so I can set the flags properly
*Dave_C*	If I knew wtf they were bitching about...
*Dave_C*	I made it shutup
*Dave_C*	whiners
	AmigaMMC: hehehe...  i don't think the magic phone call has been made yet.
	Wish it were though
	no kidding.
*Dave_C*	it makes less 'noise' than they do.
	So no news at all? (just finished working)
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	i came on here specifically to find out news... and it looks like there isn't any.  bleh.
	gotz
*Dave_C*	If they don't want logs, fine...
	Chris is _on_ Finale? :)
*Dave_C*	they can be that way
	Winter: SHouldn't have don't expect any till November
	AmigaMMC: There is no NEW news from AI. There is some news from the amiga community.
	isn't that bill?
	KarlosI: hahahaha
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*Dave_C*	I've been asked for logs by numerous folks
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	=/&%(&() shellserver pc's you know
«OP»	VideoTeck gives channel operator status to AmiPPC
	I was thinking that Sun is what we need, not because Java is better than Linux or BeOS but because Sun would be a great support because of their reputation.
	I'm Serious...
	there was word of Carl S.having gas, but it's not confirmed
«OP»	AmiPPC gives channel operator status to Amires
	TA: what's the news from the Amiga Community?
	Caldi's luggae went to Los Angeles. They gave him frequent flyer miles for the luggage.
	sun gets crushed by M$ all the time
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	How rude, ^Moridin just left without saying *anything* to us!
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	How rude, Presi- just left without saying *anything* to us!
	joy
	Just the same,  nothin
	just like how sun lost thier law suit against M$
	hold on all
	AmigaMMC: Olaf Barthel has redone the Developer CD and AI has just recieved it. It has bugfixed code and bugfixed RKM's.
«Ban»	RMerlin sets ban on Darx_TA!*@*
	Darx: your asking for a kick!!
	That oughta silence it...
	it doesnt matter what ANYONE does, until the M$ building and MANY people are Assasinated at M$, we will go no where
	I'm working on it...
	I've been asked for logs.
<_bladez_>	ta: cool .. when is it being released.
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	the bot is easiest
<_ego>	beezo: My you're cheerful
	Dave Haynie has released into th ePD thru Team AMIGA and Thule, some of his works. They are available at http://www.thule.no/haynie
	dave_c: amirc is easiest
«Quit»	CyborJim (jimvideo@206.155.34.68) has signed off (Demo timeout).
	actually, logging from a client is easiet..
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	I would have logs of Carl, but Karlos crashed me :)
	Joe?
	except when you have 15 windows and 4 clients up...
	trust me.
	TA: Aren`t they now intellectual proprties of AI?
	I HAVE a log of Carl.
	Joe Torre?
	just wondering...
	TB: hehe sorry
	dave_c: shut down 14 windows and 3 clients ;)
	never presented a problem for me.. seperate logs for seperate windows :)
	Is Gary around?
	It's crashed me over and over
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*Dave_C*	all the talkative stuff is off
	It's all too much
	DrFraggle: No, these were works by Dave himself after or prior to his work for C= including some of the non-financed projects.
	For me to take
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	TA: such as?
	The love that shines all around here
*Dave_C*	please remind them that Team*AMiGA is doing this channel, not UGN...
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*Dave_C*	and kicking our bot is not nice
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	sadams: shove it   ;)
	bye ppl
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	And everywhere is piece of cake
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<_ego>	sadams: Actually this is the most peaceful Amiga IRC conf I've seen in a long time :)
	So take a piece
	But not too much
	where
	that's cause I aint talking
	Caldi is demo'ing New York to a projector screen and explaining how it works.
	Is the WEBCam working yet?
	all.. Carl S. is on #amiwest98 .. fyi
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	ego: really?
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	amiogammc:  Gary who?
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	invite Carl S here
	Gary Peake
<_ego>	sadams: Yup, haven't seen an outright fight break out tonight.
	Yes, the WebCam is working.  Does aeverybody in Sacromento carry around a backpack?
	Carl S will try to be back in a few. He is wanting to give equal time to all.
*KarlosI*	hello
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	_ego: Welcome to Amiganet. :)
	TA: ah
	_ego: Takeovers are about impossible as one
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	How about unbanning Darx_TA's host now so that Dave can get some decent logs for the compan(y|ies) he's working for/with?
	Whats the URL? for the WeBCam?
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	HMetal: The ban prevents it from talking
	HMetal: ircdu feature
	ban doesn't prevent it from seeing
	just talking
	TA: Some of those docs were secret to Commodore. They aren't Dave's property. But who cares now?
*KarlosI*	Gary I'm offering my volunteer services to help you update and maintain the icoa web site!
	Server: www.amiga.org  Filename: /webcam/cam.jpg
	Oh, it is here.. Ok, thanks.
	HM: The bot's back
	mikester: Casey Halverson is going to set up our cam either this afternoon or tonight. He wants to also do some audio and video streaming and other examples of what Amiga's can do. So he is getting all that ready.
<_ego>	RMerlin: Yeah but even the absence of takeovers doesn't stop fights Not usually anyway. :)
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<_ego>	If you think the webcam is dull, check out cowcam ;)
	Ok Dave.. I wasn't aware..  I was in that "other" channel. :)
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	ta: great
	it was a kick, not a ban
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	I was doing the 'set' commands at the time
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	_ego: Hard to fight when theere's nothing even announced at all.  Unless someone starts a MOOEY or a webbrowser fight.
<_ego>	Oh look, someone's strangling the webcam
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	ok ladies and gentlemen any news so far?
	ok.. np then.
*	KarlosI is Peter Thiessen
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*	WowTIP thought this # woul be moderated!?
	Hi Amigans, any news?
	Casey has several 'gadgets' attached to this computer as we type. He says he is teaching a little program he has how irc works. I have no idea what he plans to do with this. But it shoul dbe interesting.
	Gary?
<_ego>	RMerlin: Now there's a thought.  MUI sux! ;))
	WowTIP: No need to, there's no speaking guests right now.
*	Dave_C returns to lurk mode
	KarlosI: Yes?
	RMerlin: K... :)
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	MUI sux for one reason only, it's ONLY 68000 code
*KarlosI*	Gary I'm offering my volunteer services to help you update and maintain the icoa web site!
	_ego: YES!!!  You are right!
	beezo: register!
«Nick»	You are now known as asha.
	KarlosI:  Yes, but it's Gary Coleman
<_ego>	GGS: Still 68000 code
	TA: Is that you Gary?  Did Scott make it?
	beezo: that's hardly a "sucking" reason
	how can you see the web cams without an Amiga
	ggs: The 68020+ version has never been released
«Topic»	asha sets topic to Asha Empress of all TA is back!
	VonWalker: Just go there with any browser
	Hi scorpio. Yes, it's been confirmed, the maker of the mega chip is Frito Lay. ;-)
	TA is gary Peake I thought?
	Carl looks like a Baptist preacher or something :)
	doh
	TA is/was Gary Peake, yes
<_ego>	VonWalker: Any browser will do it
*	KarlosI is getting confused!!
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	Hey Asha! :)
	TheBarron: You think so? I think he's good looking
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	Hey HMetal !!
	How goes, babe?
	Carl is James Bond
	I thought everyone knew that
	I thought it was Torre?
	Womble: You're not supposed to tell anyone!
	After all, Torree is the woman hunter out there
	Asha: Ask Gary if he want's help with the iCOA site?
	Now thats better. What so they have the WEBcam hooked up to?
	True: Hi Tim, good to "see" you. How's the VIC?
	asha: I didn't say he was ugly.. it's just a look he has..
	KarlosI: Yes
	Ashs: Tell him I'm willing to help volunatrily!! ;)
	TheBarron: Guess I'm not up on my Babtist preacher looks
	TheBarron: Stick to analyzing women anatomy man before you put your foot in your own mouth. :)
	KarlosI: Will tell him later...he's on a break
	ask the webcam folks to readjust the cam... getting ugly lens flares
	Asha: k thanx
	Dave_C: Can't from here
	AmigiMMC: Hi, IQ is in v0.3 :)
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	K no offense but this web cam sukx!! :+/
	I know you can't be you can send a gopher that way... 8^)
	(sent my assistant to talk to the cam folks)
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	hehehe
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>Dave_C<	Did you ever get the logs working?
<_ego>	Karlosl: If you think this is bad, check out cowcam in the Misc list in WebTV.  Now that is DULL
*Dave_C*	I brought Darx here
*Dave_C*	see Darx_TA
*Dave_C*	??
	ego: no that's butt ugly
*Dave_C*	logs we WILL have.
	Where is the webcam?
	At the show
	WowTIP: It's in the other room 
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	Yeah, but URL?
>Dave_C<	Ah..is it working?
*Dave_C*	I think so
	True: proceeding a warp speed, eh?
	WowTIP: don't have the URL on hand and Gary's off taking a break
	asha: K... Thx anyway..
	Engage Warp Factor 3.1!!
<_bladez_>	wow: www.amiga.org
	http://www.amiga.org/webcam/webcamimage.html
	WowTIP: www.amiga.org/webcam
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	Thx all! :)
	whats the URL where the web cam pics are?
>Dave_C<	I don't see DARX
*Dave_C*	darx_ta
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*	_ego points to the previous lines
	uh.. like several people just told you
	Von: Scroll bakc for cripes sakes!!
>Dave_C<	Yup, got 'em
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<_bladez_>	read the topic on #amiwest98 :)
<_ego>	People seem to be gathering round something there
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	okay we have acrowd hovering around the cmaera
	beezo: REBOL author in #amiwest98 if you're so smart
	KarlosI: let's jump to Warp5.0, instead
	We just like to eat on the channel. :)
	;-)
*	WowTIP sees 4 ppl with strange things hanging aroud their necks... That's not very informative... ;)
*	RMerlin finishes his last pizza pieces, and goes for some cola to drown it.
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	Any word on the BoXer board?
	Gary is going to try running in front of the webcam....Keep your eyes peeled
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<_ego>	WowTIP: Of course its not informative.  Its a webcam ;)
	asha: Kewl... :)
	mikester: with no more 680x0's from Motorola EVER, it doesnt look good
	Goodnight - the sun has come up and its time to retreat - have fun
	AmigaMMC: Sorry Captian, but we  won't have that technology till Winter of 1999!!
	G'night chameleo :)
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	try amiga.org/webcam/
	JKay: what?
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	Jkay: Really? Since when? I missed reading something?
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	_ego: It's like Euronews - No comment... ;)
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	Asha: tell them to correct the time on the webcam
	Jkay: Where did you hear that?  Or are you saying no more DEVELOPMENT on that chip family?
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*	KarlosI spots a 880k drive in the left corener of the cmaera
	JKay.. ditto.. where'dja hear that?
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	KarlosI: Please understand, I'm far far away from the cam.  Someone on one of the other channels might be closer.  Carl's over there chatting right now.
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	KarlosI: use the deflector to set the cronometrics to StarDate 15428.3 and open a temporal rift, then. We must have it NOW!!!
	asha: hrm .. from McEwen yesterday?
	hmm
*	WowTIP wonders why the ppl on the cam seem so happy? *smile, you're on cand...*
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	AMigaMMC: hehehe
	Hey DarkZombi
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	Jkay: So does that mean if we need a new '040 or '060 we're SOL?
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	asha: I heard that too, yesterday
	DarkZombi: Waiting for supper to be ready? :)
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	AmigaMMC: I was driving down here yesterday, didn't hear anything
*Dave_C*	note: Darx IS logging (just checked) and set to log ONLY public... no joins parts, pmsgs etc
	RM: HEHE :)
>Dave_C<	Great!
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<_ego>	asha: It was pointed out that if there is a demand another company could feasibly license the right to make 680x0 chips
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>Dave_C<	Send me an edited copy (email) if you can please (asha@mindless.com) so I can post it to CSi. oK?
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	_ego: Great (I think)
	It's BBS author day :ž
	8-P
*	RMerlin hands HMetal and DarkZombi water pistols and sits in a corner.
<_ego>	asha: Its all kind of speculative though.  I don't know how big the 680x0 market is these days.  Still used in embedded stuff I believe
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	DarkZombie: How's it going?
	DarkZombi?  Whodat?
	_ego: I don't know either, though I was told it's in my Geo Prism somewhere. :)
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	Now we need Grimmett :)
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	mikester2: Going good :)
	_ego: IIRC, it was pointed out by someone who DOESN'T work for Motorola.
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	Jay..  E! guy eh?
	RMerlin: Wonder where the Jeffster is today...probably trying to hook up his second line. :)
<_ego>	AmigaMMC: Which is why I said feasibly, not WILL
	Is Excelsior still going? I dropped my board long time ago.
	lo all
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	Mitchman: hi
	Grimmett make the show?
	mikester2: Nah, I moved on to bigger and better things :)
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	Oh yeah? like what?
	All I know is CNet is going well.. :)  tggh.net, amicon.net, vrb.com..  Lots of CNet's on the net.
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	Yrag: Nope, couldn't, just moved and then slashed his finger.  They're still unpacking last time I spoke with him.
	HM: zellerzone.com ..8-)
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	AL! Hey mate!
	[censored]
	ALL: is there any news I should be aware of?
	RMerlin: I just remember my fature thanks to winter, is it possible to add a filter to filter out leaves and joins into mindlink...make it an option!!
	RMer: Is that the clipper script? ;)
	mikester2: Nothing I can talk about just yet.
*	F308gt4 feels he is being ignored
	KarlosI: User hooks already allow that.
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	ok well good luck anyway.
	AmiNG: hi
	Has Amiga Inc. announced their business partners?
	bbl
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	F308gt4: There is no real news yet.  There's some interesting developments re:developer CDs and RKMs but nothing else yet.  There will be a lot of speeches tonight at the banquet though. :)
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	RM: good!! ;)
	MuadDib: have you got those funny eyes?
	Denny's here!!
*	_ego thinks AmIRC should incorpoarte a special FAQ button so we don't have to keep answering AInc questions
	when's the banquet?
	_ego: I agree!
	about the banquet, what is 7 PM over there in CET ? anyone who knows
	I'm new on this spice thing.  I use whale fur as of now.
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	_ego: No, we should have a FAQs bot
	ego: usually bots do that :)
	ego: You can create buttons for AmIRC.
	Riley: 4 hours from now
	asha: what is the news about RKM's and delveloper CD's?
	asha: tnx
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	ALL: any news about those 7 major software companies who have expressed interest in a new OS?
	_ego: There's always the F-keys...
*	RMerlin snarls like a Klingon.
	I never got a answer from Jkay on Motorola chips.  Does that mean Phase5 will be closing it doors and I'll never find an accelerator?
<_ego>	TheBarron: I loathe bots
	asha: humm 4 am here then *yawn*
	F308gt4: Olaf has done  major bugfixes for the Developer's CD as well as fixed a whole bunch of stuff in the RKMs
	ego: you don't know good ones, then
<_ego>	TheBarron: Never ever seen an IRC bot that was even close to smart enough
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	AmigaMMC: No, some of the Amiga Inc guys are talking to them this weekend
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	VideoTeck: Ah well...
	asha: r the RKM's still OS2 and what kind of fixes in the CD?
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	I don't care for bots either... but I write one.
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	Hi I've just joined!  Any news from AI and the AMIWEST?
	F308gt4: Yes, still OS2.  No description, just fixed everything he could find that needed it.
	bye all
<_ego>	DFDuck: Any chance you'll include some basic AI in it?
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	CyberWolf: No news from AI 'til the banquet
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	Asha: I think it's pretty astounding, I was expecting 3 or maybe 4 major partners. Not 7 out of the 10 biggest. :-)))))
	_ego: I have pondered that..but was afraid it would get smarter than me and take over my computer!
	asha: ok cool, how long before the banquet?
	asha: has bill spoken in the phone today then ? :)
	money talks
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	AmigaMMC: What is this about 7 partners out of 10?
	amigammc: they hAVE NOT SIGNED YET
	quit
	oops
<_ego>	DFDuck: LOL.  You never know.  I've always talked about writing a smart IRC bot, but I keep getting distracted with other things.  Then I get distracted from those other things by other thoer things.... ;)
	AmigaMMC: More is always better!
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	Riley: I know, but the fact that they are interested in something else than Windows is positive. Sign people are getting tired of MicroSloth.
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	amiga, i agree, as do a LOT of ceo's!!!
	cyberwolf: Bill McEwen told yesterday that 7 out of 10 the biggest consumer electronics companies have comtacted him
	_ego: I've gotten distracted from mine.. writing web cam and playing with StrIcq. Been hacking away at my silly bot for over a year now. Had to take a break from it.
	Cyberwolf: AI said that 7 out of the 10 biggest Soft makers are interested in a new OS.
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	amigammc: well that's nothing new
	Riley:   :-)
	ah.. the rumors are already changing
<_ego>	DFDuck: yeah, I would never be able to program for money.  I get bored to quickly. :)
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	earlier, it was consumer electronics, now it's Soft
	For partners : SUN, ADOBE, NETSCAPE,...?
	TheBarron: That's the nature of rumors
	thebarron: hehe :)
	Riley: the fact the they have contact AI and not the opposite is a good sign? isn't it?
	AmigaMMC: sounds great and postive! were there any names told?
	_ego: Money? Whats that?
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	amigammc: i know there has been morwe and more such companies lately
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	There“s a roumor in Germany about p5 going bankrupt. Does anybody know about?
*	_ego ponders what new rumours to start
	ne1 but M$
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	amigammc: yes of course
	Elfe: Haven't heard that here 
	Punky Brewster !
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	I am quite sure SUN is in there: first place.
<_ego>	Anyone heard about M$ buying Be?  ;)
	Did y'all see Gary on the Webcam?
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	And Adobe.... see my post on csam
	cyberwolf: you can always guess: Sony, Panasonic, Philips...
	He was the guy in glasses and a beard near Carl
	_ego: that don't surprise me
	Elfe: Phase 5 isn't bancrupt! They did just start shipping the CyberVision PPC
	Elfe: phase5 said this is _not_ true.
	Riley: those are not big soft makers.
	they purt near bought everything else
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<_ego>	I wonder if people would believe me if I said that AInc was bankrupt? :))
	Riley: at least they are not know mainly for soft
	asha:Seemed like some kinde of revenge of some people fired by WD.
	amigammc: Bill said consumer electronics companies, not sw makers
	AmigaMMC: Rumor has it Sun is haveing problems (San Fran Chron Wednesday)
	CyberWolf: btw. new 060 and ppc libs on the phase5 server. and 2 screenshots of the cybervision ppc!
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	Ego: not a sible chance, we have the money of GW for 4 years
	CyberWolf:Yes, CVPPC are out. :)
	ELFe.. there's a post on ANN says it's just that.. a rumor.  Unfounded.
	Elfe: Hard to know...not much P5 news here (or that I have heard)
<_ego>	AmigaMMC: Lets not let facts get in the way of my rumours thankyou. ;)
	what's the url for the webcam?
	_ego: Thats an old one. I started telling that Gateway went bankrupt the day after they got amiga. Lot of people believe it ¦)
	Ego: sible=single
	DFDuck: And what positive purpose does that serve?
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	Caster: www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
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	Asha: Microsoft will too have problems. :-)
	WD said p5 HP will be completly overdone in late July.
<_ego>	asha: It amuses the less gullible :)
	MiMe: thanks
	AmigaMMC: I'm praying for it! (giggle)
	Riley: I must re-read the log, then
	yes, we're use to rumors
	it's all we have left
	Ego: LOL
	Elfe: what do u mean by p5 HP?
	still no news?
	* KarlosI set webcam refresh at 15 secs
	PUNA: Not so...that's why we're here; to get FACTS and stop as much of the rumor and speculation as we can.  It doens't help the Amiga.  As a matter of fact, it probably hurts it.
	And the gulliable will drop their Amigas and go elsewhere..  So stupid-assed rumors serve no purpose.  It simply reduces our numbers even more.
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	HMetal2: Exactly!
	F308gt4: their homepage
	Ratleto: In about 4 hours
	asha: can't get worse
	mime werei find cvppc photo?
	DFDUCK: the Amiga curse. guess if we got it from playing Monkey island too much.
	asha:ok
	F308gt4:WD told there will be an completly new HP in late July.
	mime: ta
	that's laaaaate.. it'll be 4 am here
	where's the bandito when ya need him
	PUNA: It can always get worse.  As Amiga supporters our jobs are to SUPPORT the platform, not tear it down with rumors
	AmigaMMC: heheh
	Ratleto: Sorry...:)
	PUNA: Do you believe your own baloney?
	salami too
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	redteo: ftp.phase5.de/pub/phase5/ppc/cvppcscans.lha
	and as an Amiga Developer, less users mean less $$$ for us.  What does that amount to?  Lost developers.
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	asha :-)
	Ratleto: :)
	redteo: quite small the card. funny thing.
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	do u think M$ is paying attention?
	Who's who in the cam pixture
	PUNA: Probably
	Carl S
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	CyberWolf: i just wanted to ask...
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	PUNA: M$ are too egocentric to pay attention to anything.
<_ego>	I think M$ probably has bigger things on its mind (3 lawsuits, NT 5 late etc.)
	ey. drinking smth... eh?
	i hope so
	and NT5 is getting SLAMMED BIG TIME!!!
	_ego: That's a bad assumption to make; they didn't get to be as big as they are by ignoring the market
	JR is on their case;)
	PUNA: They are gonna cover their walls with mirrors, so they can watch themselves all day. Well, at least the programmers will stop watching out of the window(s).
	asha: They drive the market with their sales tactics.
	it works too
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	eventually MS loses it's market leading position
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<_ego>	asha: I didn't say they were ignoring the market.  Just that they have other priorities at the moment
	Womble: And they buy out (or destroy) competitor as often as they find them, which means they're WATCHING
	Asha: they got big driving small companies out of the market, now they try with the big ones.
	AmigaMMC: Exactly!
	Ahem there should be ppl there from Computer Finesse with a video tape with around 2 minutes of Dick Vandyke little message to the Amiga community and to Amiga Inc., did that really happen?
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	asha: they got as big as they are by 1) buying everything that they wanted but couldn't (or didn't) create themselves and 2) by hiring top-notch CS grads.  Even the first MS-DOS wasn't WRITTEN by them.
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	Scorpio: Haven't seen it...
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	HMetal: :|
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	Thanks for replying asha  and the people at computer finesse assured me that they will post a transcript of that message along a possible RA or wave file for the message
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	on their news web page
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	Scorpio: Do you know where it's to be posted?
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	i hope all goes well, then i can finally get a A4000 for $10;)
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	PUNA: typical bottom-feeder mentality. :)
	hehehe
	PUNA: No more A4000's available from what I have read.
	u got dat right
	their sire was http:/www.computerfinesse.com/news I emailed thier webmaster and he said that they are working on it
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	i could finally afford an fpu;)
	Where can I buy a 040 or 060 Accelerator cheap? USD?
	softhut, visionsoft, paxtron maybe
	mikester: Have u tried National Amiga..
	?
	Heart is here!
	There are a lot of people in front of the webcam... who are they all?
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	legs`!!!!!
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	HMetal: No I haven't are they reasonable?
	heart from Tahoe?
	mikester: if that is for an A4000/A3000 they are being sold in comp.sys.amiga.market place for around $200
	heyheyhey sweetheart!!!
	=)
	who's that lady there?
	Carl and cindy from Rebol
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	mikester: They are.. and they have used hardware for sale many times..
	wish you were here PUNA
	mikester: www.nationalamiga.com
	howzit goin heart
	yes heart from Tahoe  hehehe
	yeah, me too
	hows the crowd heart ?
	Cool . Thanks everybody.
	talk ta me baby
	having a blast...
	np mikester
	great!!!!
	no webcam tho  =(
	bought anything yet?
	hows the mighty Thrax
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	he is here   in a Photogenics seminar!~
	figures, graphics eh
	is he loving it too?
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	32 megs of ram and a new monitor cable   and some used games
	get Carl's autograph heart
	is it packed heart ?
	heart: photogenicsX?
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	yeah the main roo is a bit small  us amigans need more space  but meeting a lot of great people!!!
	room even!
	take care sweetheart  will be back around in a bit!!!!
	=)
	hugzzzz
	kisses
	;)
*Dave_C*	Hi Polly!
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	Polly is an old friend from Houston Texas.
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	u know her too eh
	Gary
	i only know her from irc
	Polly was a co-sysop on a competing fido amiga board and she was smoking us ...
	haha
	PUNA: And she has looooong legs!
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	if u guys woulda kept your mind on what u were doin and not on her legs;)
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	u betcha
	what a concept, an amiganette
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	Paul is demoing Photogenics 1.2 and has done some really nice things wiyth it. He will come type to us in a bit. Paul is very softspoken.
	ta: Is taht Photogenics NG? When wil it be available?
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	I asked Paul about Photogenics and he prefers I think to tell you himself.
	what ever hapened to project alpha which paul was to work on?
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	hey even bottom feeders are part of the food chain
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	Paul has just ended hid seminar and will be over in a few.
	even bottom feeders get consumed in the food chain ¦)
	yes, but if we all got eaten then what
	it'll upset the ecosystem
	egosystem?
*Dave_C*	laura is over on beyond... say hi to her.
*Dave_C*	hehehehe
*Dave_C*	she'll freak
	Hi Laura!!
	lol
*beezo*	did he say when it will be released?
	beezo: Paul Nolan will be here in a few and you are welcome to ask him that then.
	oh the haves and the havenots
	well damnit i pre paid in March!!
	when is my copy gonna be sent out?
	PUNA.. that's what TIME is for.. so we don't all get eaten at once.  :-)
	beezo: I would suggest you ask Paul.
	how long before he is here?
	He has a table full of people asking him questions after his excellent demo.
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	probably still ten people left yet.
	ta, i saw it first, which was demo'ed in St. Louis, that's why I bought it, it's the badest program i've seen
	Is the cam picture still being updates? I don't receive any new pix!
	no one's at the console ATM
	CyberWolf: The cam is with the UGN right now. I understand they may have shut it down for a few.
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<_bladez_>	no one there :((
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	CyberWolf: if you'ew browsing the website cam page clear your cache and then reload I had that too, and it is apparently a bug in Netscpa
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	ecosystem = traditional mindset
	Scorpio: I don't iuse Netscape. I use WEBTV
	;0
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	OK sorry I was trying to help
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	Scorpio: thx.
	So who is on the WebCam now?
	no problem mate :)
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	Hiya Thrax
	HEY PUNA!!!!!!!
	lalalalaaaa
	hey Dave_c
	I'm here at AMIWEST !!!!!!
	lalalalaaaa
	oh no!!!
	hey buddy
	i know
	ok rub it in foo;)
	arararar
	and I'm going to go play plumber for the m-in-law
	enjoying yourself buddy
	back in a bit
	heart and I are having a great time here
	how long u guyz been there
	not as big as I hoped it would be but something is better than nodda
	later..
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	since 10:30 am
	geeez
	any news
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	worth repeating
	where is Paul??
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	hopfully next year will be bigger
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	maybe LA might have been a better place for it
	Venom sez hi from AmiWest
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	maybe la yould be bigger
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	ok ladies and gentlemen any news so far?
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	Petro and Shindler didn't make it though....    kinda bummer
	not many vendors or ppl or both?
	lots of ppl and vendors     good turnout thought
	tells u there aint much to say then eh thrax
	thats great
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	where is Paul??
	regardless...   I am quite impressed
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	Photogenics demonstration iwas real good
	and the beer ain't to bad either!
	what do you mean thrax?
	gotta go....    money to spend!
	oh iwas= was
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	what hardware did ya see?
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	have fun mate
	did Paul have a PPC ver of P-NG?
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	I knew that this was another Cologne 97 disappointmnet(from the news side) since jeff and Petro were not there
	beezo:  nope
	thrax: any infos about a demoversion of photogenicsNG?
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	the PPC dev tools kinda sucked when I last looked
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	is this Paul nolan?
	Paul! at last
	thats me
	Paul, I saw your demo at St Louis and was blown away and of course pre-ordered, when will it be releaed?  its been a LONG time!!
	Paul I have a question whatever happened to the Project Alpha?Is is there? Or shall we give up?
	no questions?  oh, dam
	PaulNolan: any infos about a first demoversion of photogenicsNG?
	beezo:  I will be sending out letters when I get back, but basically Photogenics has been delayed by my commitments to the Amiga Bridge system
	why doesn't the camera show the person currently online?
	Paul, 1. has animation been done, or is that part scrapped? 2. will there be scanning support still  3.  will there still be a PPC port?
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	Hi Paul: When can we buy Photogenics NG? How does it compare to ImgaeFX or Photoshop or ArtEffect?
	PaulNolan: will current amiga owners benefit anything if they buy the bridge system? (besides the pc)
	beezo:  animation is still in the proof of concept stage, will most likely be in the next version
	we're discussing Sun, Java, Cologne '98 at #MMC
	cyberwolf:  be able to buy it when its finished.  its very different to all of the above, it works in a very different way that allows a huge amount of creative freedom
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	paul, how long of a delay are we looking at?  any projected dates for my copy?
	Locutus: yes indeed, it will be the fastest Amiga ever
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	so what's this partnership all about?
	Paul: Any news about the status of Project Alpha?Or that was just a dream we had?
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	beezo:  PPC port will be reevaluated in a few months, and if the dev environment is mature enough I will finish the port
	ahh - online view 8-)
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>beezo<	I would like to give the few people who pre ordered a first peek at the software.  I`ll explain more later
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	paul, so now there might not even be a PPC port after you promissed me one?
*beezo*	ok
*beezo*	I was one of your first to order, sorry im so annoying
*beezo*	I am just sad I don't get too use it for my work
	beezo:  well, if when I compile the PPC version it crashes, and debugger doesnt work, theres really not much I can do apart from bash my head against the wall
	When are we getting the next reports from the show? 1 hour or so?
*beezo*	my boss was VERY impressed at the pictures and is eager to use it for our web site
>beezo<	well, I`m not to happy about it either
	paul, Ok I suppose that's a valid arguement
	Paul: Any news about the status of Project Alpha?
	PaulNolan: when is Pg ng due for public release?, or when will a demo be available?
*beezo*	yes i understand you are VERY busy with other projects
	scorpio:  you`ll have to ask Steve about that
*beezo*	I tried to persuade a LOT of people to buy it
*beezo*	and MANY people asked if you would offer the $100 deal off the web
*beezo*	because some people can't goto the shows
	Ok Thanks but I was trying to get an answer if you are working still on the promised port of Amiga OS to the Alpha
>beezo<	yeah, I understand
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*beezo*	you should try to setup a deal on your website, I had like 100 people ask me about this!!!
	scorpio:  I have NDAs, you`ll have to ask Steve for an official answer
>beezo<	email me at pnolan@cix.co.uk, I`ll try and sort something out
*beezo*	ok, thanks a lot
	So what has been the most far reaching amiwest announcement thus far?
*tecno*	Get my mail?
*beezo*	well actually i've tried, you are too busy to answer e-mail, hehehee
	OK sorry :0
	OK sorry :)
>tecno<	have been out of touch
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>beezo<	oh yeah :)
	 The performance numbers are being announced toniught
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*tecno*	I noticed, check your uk mail box sometime, and remember to mail davina ;)
*tecno*	hows it going anyway?
	Tuman: i think smth like "... will be announced within th next 4 weeks" or smth similar 8-)
	is the boxer being displayed?
>tecno<	Ela says hi ;)  and thanks for the choccys
*tecno*	hehe :o)
>tecno<	its going :)  I`m going too soon
*beezo*	i was the one at the show that was trying to persuade you to distribute the program on CD
*tecno*	whats the news on PG Ng?
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	any more questions on the amazing Photogenics Ng, or can I go now? :)
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	Well, an announcement about an announcement is not so bad.  At least it's something! :)
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*beezo*	actually I think I was hanging around you all day saturday, I probably annoyed the hell out of you with my 1 million questions
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	PaulNolan: have you said when it'll be released yet?
	u made it FrMan !
	PaulNolan: release date and demo date, please...
	no he has'nt
>beezo<	I honestly dont remember ;)
	he can't commit to all this
	you will just have to wait
	Tuman: we had this in may already.
	I think we are used to this by now, cause we are special people
	Paul: any demo version or evaluation nersion that we can look at?
	mime:  release data:  when its ready.  the OS 4 Bridge system has to take priority.  
*beezo*	yes, you were in another world, programmers world
	Scorpio: there's some pics on his home site
	beezo: please let Paul answer the questions
	thx PUNA :) was on another channel AmiWestTA on beyondirc net where this one was echoed
	dave_c. he already answered these
	scorpio:  nope. hope to have a walk through demo before release though
	Thanks tecno I looked at that
	MiMe, but "we're still on schedule" is not too bad.
	PaulNolan: ok. shure.
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	PaulNolan: aminet demo?
*tecno*	anyway, good look dude, and mail us soon, ok? and be good and pass my regards on to Ela :)
	The cam still not updating? Or is it just me..
	URL for webcam?
	working fine here
>tecno<	ok, seeya ! :)
	www.amiga.com (server)
	Volmer: Check the /topic
	 /webcam/cam.jog (filename)
	ok, have to go back to my stand and sell the Siamese :D
	by Paul, and thank you
*tecno*	later ;)
	Dave_C: amiga.org you mean
	seeyall
	Bye Paul
	paul... one question
	You sure that isn't www.amiga.org ?
	if Laura relays it in time
	um?
	yeah
	ok, thanks
	Thank you for your time Paul
	amiga.org
	sorry
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	She said she'd ask next time...
	thanks paul
	ok
	seeyall :)
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	any word on the T*A webcam?
	Are Casey or Godsmith gonna make it?
	T&A webcam?
	is compton there
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*	Dave_C shakes his head...
	Dave_C: Casey Haverson is pacing th efloor waiting for his chance to set it up so he can try out his audio/video feed stuff.
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	Locutus: I have plenty of those urls
	I mean Team*AMiGA
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	We will have to shut down for about an hour to set him up, so I am delaying until later tonight.
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	ok... and tell him that babelfish changed their output and his translator scripts are broke
	Dave_c: will do!
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	Hi all! What is the adress of the webcam site??
«Topic»	amiwest sets topic to The next seminar is "Amigan's with disabilities".
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	webtv
	The word I have been given concerning the IBM rumor is: Gateway is NOT for sale regardless of what ZDNet says. Nor is Amiga Inc for sale, nor is Rebol for sale!
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	yooper: Thanks!
	Any further news?
	There should be no questions about that. It was said very adamently by all concerned.
	That might explain the current silence on this IRC channel :)
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	Puna: Idon't think Compton's there because he was on IRC last night at 10:30 showtime asking for news.
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	oic
	k
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	Michael Salcedo is now giving his seminar on Amigan's with disabilities. He has a panel set up.
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	Mike's wife is a teacher for the visually impaired and has a daughter with disabilities.
	He has some appliances to use to demonstrate how to make computing easier.
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	They are discussing tools and appliances that the disabled amigan's can use to do some of the frustrating chores like simply typing a letter.
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	They are discussing how developers can even program in things like keyboard commands, or 'fast keys'.
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	let the user have the option;)
	Puna: Yes, like hidden keys or fast keys available from prefs.
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	that's small patatas anywayz
	One of the panelists uses Diskmaster along with Say just to be able to do normal operations.
	PUNA: It's small potatoes, but no one thinks of these things when they program.
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	So, what's the news from amiwest?
	Over: Free Milk with every NEW Amiga bought... ;)
	Overtaker: join #amiwest98
	Keybang is an example of a program used in some special ed courses as is Lupe.
	Great little conf on #amiwest98, with bill mcewan
	ta: Could you please elaborate a bit more on keybang?
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	bbl
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	ginger: Yeah RIGHT, lack of direct answers is more like ..... ;) Still too early for any yet.... Oh well.
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	Kinners: KeybangII has modules so that when you type the letter A, and A appears on the screen in large type. Sounds can be digitized to go along with this so that a visually impaired person can hear what they are typing and can learn to type this way.
	PST is - how much for GMT?
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	RaTTleR: -6 or -8?
	-8
	Rat: What's YOUR local time ?
	Err.. Ok.. :)
	GMT +1
	(CET)
	Rat: It's 4:30pm, 16:30...
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*	RaTTleR is back, hi [gone!5h27m44s]
	Ahh.. Ok.
	Someone care to fill me in on what's been said?
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	DeafLab is a nice program designed to teach sign language.
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	well, generally speaking, the amiga needs educational proggies period
	PUNA : Oh ?
	PUNA : Why ?
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	PUNA : Games... Sure.
	One of the best disabled computer labs to be found is the CARLO Lab at Butte College, about 75 miles north of Sacramento.
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	taza: There are lots of disabled amigan's right now. We should offer them some support.
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	taza, Are we talking phycically disabled or?
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	I thought this was supposed to be a moderated channel, where's the news feed?
	#amiwest98
	what does Stephen Hawkin use?
	ah, thanks
	MrVegas: This is the news feed as it is happening at the seminars.
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	I have known what Stephen H. uses, but forgot..  (DUH)
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	They are now talikng about VR systems, touch screens and wiz tablets. Also larger mice and trackballs.
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	geez, all i wanted was a faster amiga;)
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	children need smaller mice
	I'd like to be doing something in this field..
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	Is #amiwest98 moderated?
	ta; any specifics or just "This is what we want to do"?
	;)
	PUNA: The more Amiga's that get sold, the faster/cheaper they'll get :)
	PUNA: Disabled children need larger mice so that they can control it better.
	Lambertus, yes
	Hi brothers!
	we need to cover all markets and the ICOA and AI are hear listening.
	Any news from Amiga Inc?
	RaTTleR, thx..  Is it the same as this, but only 'one way' in a way then?  ; )
	No.. It's interviews and such..
	This is a report on what's happening on the Show itself..
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	Bill McEwen has announced that he wants everyone possible to hear/see his remarks tonight so he is tring to arrange feeds for this.
	ta: ra ?
	ta: bill is going to happen at 6pm?
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	videoteck: the amiga announcement was a bit inaccurate to a certain extent .. there was supposed to be coverage from a local radio station and via real auido, but they didn't show up (as far as i know)
	Bill Gates is coming to talk as well???
	we were also supposed to have some sort of GSM links, which we probably will handle tomarrow... these will be pre-recorded.... 
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	maybe discusion on the amiga announcement/talks as well as clips and full versions.
	ta: okey, as long as the ra links get in cucug or amiga.org :)
	but that all depends on if we get the hardware going tonight.
	How much time from now is Bill gonna talk?
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	(No energy to thinking in time zones....)
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	i don't know .... he is talking at 8:30pm..
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	tekmage: are you guys going to cover the amiga stuff at 8:30 via IRC?
	are you really talking of bill gates??
	tekmage: and webcam
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	Bill M was just on #amiwest98 a moment ago
	lates guyz, go amiga!
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	bill = bill Mcewen... 
	ta: Luckly! ;-)
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	ta: 8:30 local to the show?
	ta: any idea of what 8:30 over there is in CET ? :) *maybe i can sleep a bit*
	ta: tekmage, this is casey .... is anyone from UGN there?
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	Bill=Bill Clinton, stupid!
	videoteck: hold, let me calculate the hours until
	probably around 9:30..
	okey
	Hi
	ok, in EXACTLY 4 hours.. 
	Overtaker: keep women away then!! ;-)
	being that right now is 4:30 ..
	when's the big announcement supposed to be?
	we don't know that it is big..
<_bladez_>	ta: what is happening at 8:30?
	just that it is important to include everyone (?)
	im just reporting that bill m. is concerned ... thats all i know..
	well, they kept saying is was gonna be big...
	which is a good thing, because last amiga show they excluded a whole chunk of people who couldn't pay/afford/or had room to go to the announcement
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	mrvegas: nobody ever said that.
	mrvegas: if you can tell me who "they" is ... 
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	mrvegas: give me a name, i will verify.
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	gary peake
«Nick»	You are now known as CommandTA.
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	Did they announce which kernal to be used in OS4?
	i think AI put out something too
	mrvegas: no ... he never did say anything about it being big.
	In 4 hours.... that would be 5.30 AM here!   (ZzzZZZZ)
*	TheBarron thinks MrVegas has this show confused with the last one
	they promised it would be "big"
	is that commando?
	AI just said there would be an annoucement... an annoucement which just means he is talking.
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	they did NOT promiss that it would be big... give me a URL or a press release.
	CommandTA: where you summing up the disbilities seminar?
	there are many rumors.... 
	WTF does GA mean?
	true: the disbilities seminar is going on right now .. 
	I don't know, maybe check Ai's site
	GA means Go Ahead.
	Go ahead
	k
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	true: do you want me to summon the people holding the seminar..
	used when in moderated conf... which we're not.
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>jkay<	asha stood at chris' table for 1/2 hr and could not get his attention.
>jkay<	(msg from her in the room_)
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	Does anyone have any questions on AMiGA and Disabilities?
*Jkay*	did she try the obvious thing .. flashing him?
	CommandTA: just interested in hearing a summary or overview as it happens.
	If Petro didn't show up, that must be the first time ever. He usually goes wherever there's a show going on.
	hey, we can bring any questions into the seminar right now..
	message your questions.. 
	they are asking for them.
	If so, I'd be getting them ready and getting Casey to flag them over.
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>Jkay<	well she did bend over the table.
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	doesn't the lack of narrator and translator device inhibit disabled access?
	err... what channel did they take questions on disab. stuff?
	What is presently avalable for sight impaired users in regards to gui/wimp/etc
	Joe: Is Joe=Joe Torre?
	Overtaker, Yeah.. We even got him to join us on our party on AMiTECH '97.. :) Petro's kew..
*Jkay*	he must have been dead then
*Jkay*	check if he is breathing
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>Jkay<	he was talking to some dingdong and wouldn't stop
>Jkay<	she finally got disgusted ... 
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*Jkay*	oh he's a pushover. just slap him :)
*Dave_C*	Sorry... here's my Q again
*Dave_C*	What is presently avalable for sight impaired users in regards to gui/wimp/etc
	i am taking them now.. 
>Dave_C<	hold .. 
	let me get the guys on IRC
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*Dave_C*	ok...
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	Where/are there any words on better speech synthesis?
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	Or coupling speech command recognition with AREXX/Rebol to control prgs??
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>Dave_C<	in OS 2.04 and higher, you can adjust the fonts in your prefs section..
	Lam: AFAIK, there *was* an alternative translator.device that was better at multi-language handling... it even did Klingon.
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	Lambertus: We can only dream
>Dave_C<	but OS 2.04 has a lot of good support like that.
*Dave_C*	I meant as in tactile response 'view' pad and alternative input devices
	Well.. if THEY don't do it, I will try to!
	(Actually, I'll try anyway)
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	lambertus: SWRead seems to be the best program for synths ... the say and speak commands work pretty well, and you can plug those into any file management system (diskmasker, opus, etc) but the amiga is suprisingly flexable as far as speech goes.
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	lambertus: if you are really into speech and phenetics, etc. you can adjust the speech and such, but you really have to play with it.  but i generally been satified with the amiga's syth software.
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	Well..  the system narrator was not too bad, but there's lots of improvement possible.  I don't know SWRead.
	(Will have a look)
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	lambertus: that is true... 
	Any news on the secret parnter with the kernal in os4?
	overtaker: there are still 3 companies .... 
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	is someone here logging the upcoming banquet ?
	overtaker: they have three different demos waiting ... but they can't show them until the sale is finished.. 
	CommandTA: I know about what's possible with the Amiga's synth.  But it wasn't in the latest releases, and other types of synthesis and higher CPU speed open possibilities.
	videoteck: as far as i know, UGN is doing it .. 
	LOGGING A BANQUET????  "Digitise that chicken and send over IRC"   ; )
	videoteck: but UGN is ignoring me via IRC .. that means I have to walk a few hundred feet and yell at tekmage.
	TEKMAGE!!!!!!
	BRB ...
	ta: :)
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	dave_c: good
	make sure the conf is here to then :]
	I thought they said "within 30 days" we would know the kernal. Im getting sick and tired of this NDA bull shit!
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*	CyborJim doesn't log trees.  However he does log IRCs.  TEMBER!!!!
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	Gary Back now
	Over: Then come back in "30 days" and complain.... ;)
	Any words about the rumor about GW selling AI to Be?
	Everyone has vanished!!! AI is giving away a new 1200.
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	heh
	Lambertus: That RUMOR is emphatically FALSE!
	Any words about the rumor about Be being sold to AI ?
	Lam: Today someone was rumoring that M$ was buying Be
	To me, it all Be a crock
	taza:It's been like 2 months since they said it...
	TA; thx.  I thought so, but yah never know...
	and IBM buying Gateway hehe
	The rumors that Gateway is for sale is FALSE. The rumor that AI is for sale is FALSE. The rumor about Rebol being for sale is FLASE.
	That at least makes sense
	Dave_c:  ; )   (BRRRR)
	Boy there sure are a lot of gullible people around.. :)
	Any truth to the rumor that there will be an upgrade to IBrowse?
	........ and Microsoft buying Apple ......
	portnoy: ALL RUMORS are Flase.
	nobody;s buying anything
	Flase?
	false even. :)
	... and me going to bed... 8ž
	g'night VT
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	se yah all tomorrow
	gnight dc
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	I just want to know if _anything_'s been announced at the show yet?
	I'm gonna have to go get ready for work.
	Did Bill Mc. make any REAL statements at all??
	So eh..  do the questions we ask here about disability stuff get asked in the seminar?
	TA: That's the same Darx from beyond. Use your P/W if you need to access it.
	Lambertus: Yes.
	Fuck disability!
	darx usermod ta 200
	ooops
	Dave_C: Gotcha
	hostmask
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	Ident to it
	ok
	so I can set that
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	The future on Amiga is (friendly) debated at #MMC
	darx sview ta
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>darxide_ta<	ident ta
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	darx usermod -r ta -p alanwall.p@*.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net ta 200
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	darx sview ta
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-Darx_TA-	Email: gpeake@wt.net
-Darx_TA-	Comment: Gary's here - let's see if we can make him lose a nut....
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	hehehehe
	The ICOA had a rep here (Jesse McClusky) who took notes. What is really needed for Amigan's with disabilities is drivers. Mac people pay as much as $600 US for drivers for tablets, etc.
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*Lambertus*	so do we hear the answers on the questions (like mine) here on this channel or should I go to another as well?
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>Lambertus<	what was your question?
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*	RaTTleR is away, idle 10 minutes [lp]
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	That was the last seminar oif the day here in the Sycamore room.
«Topic»	TA sets topic to last seminar has been done ... BillM at 8:30pm PDT
	I have a book I got at Barnes&Nobel called "Independance Day, Designing Computer Solutions for Individuals with Disabilities".  An Apple publication, so it has more concept then solution.
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	Michael Salcedo at msalcedo@calweb.com wishes anyone interested in programming or helping with this project please email him direct.
	Sorry.. what project?
		Mike even
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	amiwest is going to take a break for about 20 minutes.
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	Setting Casey up?
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	I'm saving jpgs from the cam.
	bye for now.
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	I want some from the TA feed
	Dave_C: Yes, in a few.
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	OK...
	I got some good pics
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	Carl and Cindy
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	I too am saving cam pics and logging two channels.. for about 6 hours now.
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	Any URL where all the logs and pics are.  I might be blind, but couldn't find them easily (well.. I'm lazy as well)
	Somtimes it all flies past too fast.. gotta have logs so I can read what happened ¦)
	Wantanabee?
	Is that you Wendell?
	from Fido?
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>Dave_c<	do you have all the web images? I hope someone saves them all so I can get one of me.
	Yes that is me!
	Dave Cook
	Good to see you here.
	Asha has been on...
	Nice to be here
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	Pretty new at IRC though..
	want a log of Carl S. earlier?
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	log of carl s. sounds neat.
	Carl in person has a real enthusiasm to him!
	hmm..
	There y'go Wendell.
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	He looks slightly 'businesslike' and somewhat coldish on pics..
	it's rough, but it's there
	Unbelievable amount of energy in people like Holger Kruse, Carl S, Paul Nolan, et all.
	Good to hear
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	Thanks Dave. I think I'm getting the file.
*Dave_C*	ftp://gmebbs.cnetbbs.net
*Dave_C*	pub/amiwest/
	So TA, Have you seen Miami Deluxe ?
	Lambertus: Actually he comes across that way in email too. But, in person he is quite personable and friendly. Easy to chat with.
<_bladez_>	ta: yes i must say ... and they love every moment of it :)
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	taza: Not yet. I am going over in a few to see what is on display.
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	I did talk to Denny Atkin who said that the PC world is NOT loike the amiga world, he is about tired of that scene, and is looking seriously at the amigang and coming back.
	Denny was very happy to be here, shaking hands and looking at all the demos out.
	Who's Denny?  (Excuse me if I'm ignorant here)
	UGN has the internet attorney online
	grabbing pics of his bill gates looking self
	hehehehehe
	Lambertus: Denny Atkin wrote a lot of really good books for amiga users.
	Greatest Tips and Tricks.
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	IC
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	hahahaha
	we are going to go off line for a while while Casey and I round up some equipment to perform some magic a little later. We will be back prior to Bill M's speech tonight.
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	they have an internet attorney and sidewind asks about copyrighting his band's name!
	hahahaha
	TA: Is Fletcher Haug gonna talk inchannel?
	we'll be back when we get setup.
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	hmmmm
	Can someone help me set up WebTV for the Amiwest cam pics?
	I can
	Great! How?
	1) mooey
	2) install webtv
	Got that...
	3) server: www.amiga.org
	ok
	4) filename: /webcam/cam.jpg
<_bladez_>	don't forget the setting bit if you go through a proxy server ;)
	Sound...  (Sound?)
	Ok, thanks!
	
	Sound?
*	Lambertus coughs...
	er
*	Dave_C has a bunch of really kewl wavs, but I shouldn't play any
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	everyone will be requesting...
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	Who's that guy on webcam right now??
	Cool! I got pics. Thanks Dave.
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	That's the internet copyright lawyer
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	Lambertis: I think that's the lawyer on #amiwest98 (Mitchell)
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	any news today?
	Is that the same one we had earlier?
	RAG: Patience.
	There was a last minute meeting that called major 'players' away...
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	dave_c: hehe... I think I have... but Im awaiting the phonecall :) (while being in town boozing)
	they're expected to contact landline sometime before the end of the show tomorrow
	Dave_C: When was that??
	Dave_C:
	hi it 's me
	
	AlanwLL
	oh.. Hi Alan
	you looked like Gary
*	Dave_C ducks
	Haviing fun
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	Ray needs to be on UGN checking this out.
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	brb... hooking up new hardware. 
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I am compelled to admit that this is the sum total of my efforts for this month's edition of SHOWTIME! Real Life took me unexpectedly away from my desk for three weeks of this publication period (apologies to all who wrote me and wondered why they didn't get a prompt reply :) I fear the next few weeks aren't going to get much "lighter", but my intentions are good, even if my output is questionable.

Next time we meet, look for further developments on the MidWest Expo, plus some reports and inquiries regarding some shows and events otherwise brewing in Europe.



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